Other sports that could benefit from more money

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    banjo_chuckers
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    And all F1 teams, bar Ferrari, are all around Milton Keynes… go figure? LOL

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    SensibleS7
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    Banjo, agree mate and most certainly not. I wasn’t trying to highlight at all that it should be on the same scale (ludicrous scale) as football.

    Steveo and Pax:

    Totally recognize what Barry Hearne has done and I believe he saved Snooker. There are lots of tournaments that not only remain stablized, but (with my belief) more prize money to earn, so it’s not just from what I’m seeing, ‘B’ and ‘C’ grade type of Snooker players competing and perhaps the way it is decimated, it drives players from all quarters to compete.

    My own admittance of a snag is that like they used to before, hand out either a nice car or 147,000 for making the Maximum break.

    Maybe it’s because Barry Hearne believe Ronnie will make lots of maxi’s and so he’s curbed the prize money lol 😀

    The only slight problem I have is (and Ronnie’s done this on 2 occasions in recent times) that we end up with a conclusion like a 146, purely because Ronnie didn’t feel there was enough prize money.

    #1436025
    steveosnakeeye
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    which is ridiculous, they get paid and they get paid well and if a player is good enough for a 147 then he should do it for free because its the achievement and crowd pleasure that counts not how much dosh and the fact he is rich enough to not bother with it in protest just shows how wrong this is. poor from Ronny (my fav player) and poor for the sport

    snooker earns a lot and worldwide is bigger than darts, dont judge every sport by whats on sky (uk) tv…..

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    SensibleS7
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    Steveo, I felt what Ronnie did at the time was a little rebellious and disrespectful to the paying fans choosing a 146. He tried to conceal this by explaining he was ‘only having a bit of a laugh’, but he wanted the prize money.

    I still believe they should pay out a little more because a maximum break is one of the hardest to achieve, but the best of pros make it look easy.

    I think with Ronnie too, it’s a bit of an isolation there because he’s the only guy with the brass neck to be asking right at the start what they are paying?

    He did this against Mark King back in 2010 and he didn’t miss a ball. He didn’t look like missing a ball too last year in the Welsh Open with a 146.

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    Pagan – I realise the F1 teams have a large work force, I spent a year living in Brackley where Mercedes are based and some of them used to come in the Greyhound pub. Most are on decent wages but not really massive, you have to graduate to the main pit crew that travels the world to get on to the massive wages.

    I am not sure how many they employ 700 sounds about right, Utd employ 800 again there will be a massive gulf in wages but with 25 senior professionals that in itself will be massive plus they will have top technical staff probably similar to the F! pit crew wages wise, I would still wager they have a bigger wage bill than the Ferrari F1 team.

    However if you are going to compare Utd to Ferrari as in Companies you have to also take into account the wages of the people working in the factories, design centres etc, then Ferrari dwarfs Utd

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    Pagan
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    Paxman, pit crew is not where the big money is in F1, pit crew are on £40 – £50k, which isn’t really anything special, it is however compensated for by the life style, which for a couple of years would be fantastic. The big money in F1 after the drivers is in the technical side. you need to pay big money to keep your secrets and stop staff migration.
    With football clubs they have a lot of community coachs etc. which I would say would be on minimum wage or there about.
    If you consider all a top F1 team does is build 6 cars a season, their main outlay is in personell to run and develop the cars, and the running costs for Ferrari and Mercedes, well some say well over £700m.
    And what doe Ferrari and Mercedes get for that money? prestige for their core business…..Pagan

    #1436374

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    Pagan – The only have to build 6 cars per season 🙂 how much do you think each car cost? How much do you think they spend on research and development? How much do you think they spend in testing?

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    Pagan
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    Paxman, its not the materials that cost in the development, it’s the man hours of extremely well paid engineers, which is why the wage bill of F1 is so high, which is what we were talking about.

    I know someone who has a few F1 cars, yes they are a few years old, but they dont cost that much, however they dont run as they are missing the electronics.

    thats where the cost is, manpower thats why F1 has a higher wage bill….Pagan

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    mufc
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    These figures can’t be right, they seem really expensive and costly.

    http://www.tsmplug.com/f1/average-cost-of-formula-1-car/

    #1436860

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    Mufc – These figures are spot on, the had a FI car on Top Gear a couple of seasons ago, and they went through the cost of some of the items, pretty much every item has a massive price, and yes 9.4M is about right, so not matter what our friend above says yes the cars are expensive.

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    Pagan
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    Paxman, no one has said the cars are not expensive, the topic was about wage bills in the sport. The basic materials are not that expensive, it’s the fact that the development costs, which will be mainly man hours are only divided by the batch size, hence the cars and their parts are expensive because of the man hours spent in developing them. Mass produced cars are cheaper because the development cost is spread over a greater batch size.
    Anyway tell me more about the massive wages of the pit crews compared to the wages of the engineers etc….Pagan

    #1437702

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    Pagan – Your words, ‘I know someone who has a few F1 cars, yes they are a few years old, but they don’t cost that much’, you then say no one has said that the cars are not expensive. Talk about contradicting yourself 🙂

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    nine nine nine
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    Collecting F 1 cars is a very expensive hobby even an old Sauber would set you back well over £100k.

    #1437708

    Paxman
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    999 – I know, I think someone is telling porkies 🙂

    #1437740
    banjo_chuckers
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    Silly true story for you…

    Back in the late 90’s, early naughties, I was working with a chap called Frank Fiore in PA, USA, who was into his racing in a big way (and his hockey!). Anyway, we became quite decent buddies over the years and one day, I was picking him up to go to a hockey game and he invited me into his garage (never been in his surprisingly large house before).

    At the back of the garage and underneath a tarpaulin was an old “Indy” car. I knew he was into his cars, but still quite surprised and impressed he had an old Indy car.

    Anyway, turns out his Dad, a certain Mr. Frank Fiore Snr, was the last ever person to run as an “Independent” in the quite famous Indy 500 back in the 70’s, and that particular car was the last ever car to run as an “Independent” car. Frank Jnr reckoned at the time, he got a yearly phone from the museum at they Indy track to buy it, as it is quite an “historical” car, being the last ever independent car, and the last offer was 500,000 dollars….

    #1437759

    nine nine nine
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    banjo,re F1 team locations ,Silverstone played a big part in the location of so many F1 teams in the area but it goes right back to the end of the war and disused airfields and out of work aircraft workers in that area making good race engineers etc.

    #1437787

    SensibleS7
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    Maybe there is a clear reason why 147,000 could no longer be awarded for the Maximum. The fires are kept burning elsewhere because of the freedom to distribute more money through a number of different competitions.

    Plus, what even makes the sport interesting is that there are no real figureheads as such that are head and shoulders above everyone else because the likes of O’Sullivan, Selby, Higgins, and Trump can all be beaten.

    Could football go in a direction like Snooker whereby the FA Cup and the League have more sponsors and more prize money? The format of the FA Cup is slightly now modified so that there are no replays once you enter the quarters.

    If UEFA were to collaborate with the FA, something could be done re the format of Champions League and the Europa. If the amount of games could be trimmed down drastically, domestic cup competitions like the League Cup and the FA Cup wouldn’t be so looked down too and certain clubs would show more respect for it and take pride in participation.

    #1437820

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    Nil – The FA and UEFA have no power, it is all about the Premier league, they have all the money and the power.

    By the way just to be picky 147 is not the maximum 155 is, only Higgins is believed to have achieved this.

    #1437863
    Pagan
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    Paxman, £100k for a car with history is cheap, the bloke I know has collected cars since the late 60s, from the gold leaf Loutus’ to the recent F1 cars, most of his cars are on display at in various museums, I woluld suggest you look at car prices before you consider £100k as expensive, the boy racer rs2000s of the early 80s are now fetching £30k, and probably 3 or 4 times that if it has heritage, the Big Healeys and Etypes of the 50s and 60s are fetching circa £100k and again a lot more for those with racing pedigree, So £100k for an F1 car that as you say costs £9m to build is peanuts…..Pagan

    #1437869
    Pagan
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    Paxman, F1 cars are expensive to develop/ build, they have very little value second hand now, as they don’t run as the electronics are removed in order to protect intellectual property. Your obviously not a petrol head or you’d have a grip on car prices….Pagan

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