Palace v Arsenal

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    The Oracle
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    So we’ve had 3 home games in a row, one defeat and two victories. Some improvements and some of the poor defending synonymous with Wenger and Emery but far more resolve, work rate and organisation. The weak areas still defence obviously and the appalling Xhaka in midfield. We really need to go with Torreira (back to his best in his rightful position) and Guendouzi in midfield, Xhaka should be sold. It doesn’t matter who plays in defence they just aren’t good enough. Hopefully we can overcome an injury hit Palace but Wilf might cause us problems. Invest in a quality CD for the future and let’s forget Boateng, we don’t need Luiz MkII.

    #1814935
    steveosnakeeye
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    I am actually hopeful the good work we have been doing (all be it in fits and starts) will continue and we may just nick this, not sayig it will be pretty or without issue but we could and should win this and keep picking up 3 points, at the moment thats the important thing, keep the results coming and work behind the scenes

    very underwhelmed with some of the transfers we are connected with

    what do people think about Diop or Ake for £40m-£50m? Both heavily linked with chelsea, not too expensive and PL experiance?

    #1814941

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    I agree except the best midfield partnership is Xhaka and Torr with Ozil in front. Gwen has not been great lately and I think he struggles positionally in the new system. As a team we have performed better with Xhaka and Torr in front of the back 4. The back 4 picks its self AMN sok Luiz and Hulk. Interesting to see what he does up front as I would bring Martinelli straight back in and drop nelson although if Aube is still unwell it will just be a straight swap of him for Martinelli although even then I might swap Saka for Nelson.

    #1814986
    cavey
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    Hey guys and girls. Happy new year
    On this one I’m pretty sure that we are going to lose.

    The symptoms are shown in the last two match. Even though the defending were a bit better. The usual one goal lead seems to stop the dominance of the match.

    And as anybody else who can see and hear knows xhaka is fuckin useless. Leeds match showed he is back to his former useless attitude. And if he is going to be a starter on palace game. Then expect that we are going to lose by 2 goals.

    Mustafi is not better be on the team. But revival of özil looking positive. He just needs to be consistent. Just like couple of seasons ago.

    Defending. Defending…. Eerhm the defending … Please Arteta sort the defending as soon as possible.

    But without mustafi, xhaka and lazyzette we might have to take our chances. But again the London derbies are unpredictable. and I hope we going to get rid off some useless players this window.

    #1815463
    cavey
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    I just saw starting XI and now I’m pretty sure xhaka is going to get at least 6 yellow cards in this match.

    #1815608

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    Lacazette, piss poor again. Now with Aubameyang suspended, we’re in the dwang. Not that we were in great shape to start with. How can a pack of “Professionals”, make the same basic error again for a free kick. Bloody laughing stock.
    The referee again sucked. Jordan Ayew had four fouls on the trot, no warning, was consistently, slowing play down, no card. Yet, touch him and free kick. Soccer becoming a place for candy floss doorknobs.

    #1815701

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    Am I missing something or am I the only one who rates Lacazette? Battles like an ox and links the front play well, as shown for the first goal. I get he’s not scoring at the moment which is fundamentally what he’s there for but he does put in so many yards and brings more to our play than Auba although you can’t argue when he scores.

    Thought that was a game for the taking especially in the first half, that’s the first time in ages apart from United where we looked like we are taking the game to the opponent but you can see we’re more structured in our game plan already (I.E pushing up the half way line). This season is a write off and until Arteta has the players he wants, we can’t expect miracles.

    #1815736

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    Lacazette is very slow to cover back, watch him when he loses the ball. He is always the one to commit stupid fouls (excluding Xhaka). A whiner to the Referee, that gets his back up. If he concentrated on playing, he could be really good. I will say he can hold a ball up, but for all the hype on him, he has never really made an impact. He should do a Bergkamp, and work on his game, especially finishing. That there’s talent, I don’t deny. It’s application and commitment that’s missing.

    GFL.

    #1815822
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    I don’t know why people are having a go at Lacazette when he works his socks off. He was the main reason we beat Leeds and he played well yesterday, he is our most advanced player and presses opposition defenders and he holds thee ball up well, he shouldn’t repeatedly have to track back to cover the useless Xhaka who doesn’t bother and is too slow to do it anyway. We should have won yesterday, we dominated in the first half but acted and played as if we only needed one goal, very few attempts on target after we scored. How we think one goal is ever enough I don’t know. Once again our useless defence let us down, sloppy midfield play, poor defending, lack of concentration, switched off and then we had to hang on. Abameyang’s tackle wasn’t malicious but it was a sending off, can’t argue with that. So we ended up nearly losing a game we should have won comfortably. Maybe we will end up with Nketiah and Martinelli up front against Sheffield Utd.

    #1815852
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    With you there Oracle, cannot for life of me understand anyone slating Lacazette performances of recent. I get taht he missed a couple chances in a few games recently, but his overall work has been terrific. He fights for every ball, holds it up brilliantly, brings many players into the bigger picture. those types of players are worth their weight in gold. Energy, desire, workrate 10/10 again.

    Is it his role on the picth that everyone thinks he should just score goals and thats it. Has anyone watched liverpool last 3 years, they have a striker he doesnt score alot but his overall contribution helps the TEAM, excactly what we need in in Arties vison of how we play.
    some players need winding up, they will go out to get wound up. Roy Keane was always better when he got wound up, so was Henry, shearer, rooney just to name a few.

    Maybe its just because some of our ‘fans’ need to have something to moan about and someone to pick on. Even Xhaka has played well of recent (leeds game aside) whos next? shall we start picking apart Saliba even though he hasnt played a game for us!

    #1815892
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    Hahahaha …So it’s taken this long for some to realize on here that fans actually single out players.When I said the same about Xhaka then everyone jumped on the bandwagon, and now that it’s happening to someone they “like”…some “fans” are being accused of picking on players.

    Anyways , My take on Lacazette is that I don’t have any real issue with him.It’s just some fans have talked him upto such a level and put him on a pedestal that he’s not performing to those standards.He was always a good striker, he’s finishing poorly currently yes but i don’t expect him to be the “goalscorer” considering the system we play.He has auba and Pepe who are drifters and can run in behind.
    His job currently is to hold play up and fight a bit deeper.it’s a bit like Firminho’s role.i can’t believe someone called him “Lazyette”.His biggest strength is his work ethic which has been pretty impressive in the past few games.

    #1815921

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    Sorry, don’t agree with you. He loses the ball more often than not. Tracks back slowly and commits fouls often killing attacks. If you see Xhaka is weak, then front cover him, where you can. Not stand with a fat lip and hands on hips.
    In my opinion,he has got to up his game and finishing now, with Abba out for three games.

    You have your opinion and I have mine.Enjoy your day.

    GFL.

    #1815955
    steveosnakeeye
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    should have won, we didnt, so much posession but not enough talent or belief on the day, we didnt create enough for all that possession

    as for laca, for me he links well, battles well and is just short on form for scoring, one will go in then a load more will, ive no issue with his work ethic and frankly that through ball was difficult and very well executed by him, geat bit of skill

    like the rest of the team tho he needs a bit of luck and some confidence, its slowly coming, this year is yet another tight off but hopefully less so as it gives arteta loads of time to instillhis philosphy and get the right players in ready for next year, we will be a different beast next year

    #1815996
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    We saw against Palace again another glaring example of why Ozil simply can’t be trusted to play in the team much less to build a team around.He was good against Chelsea and Man utd,average against Leeds and anonymous against Palace.We had one shot on target till the 60th minute which was the goal.We went down a man,and ozil got replaced with Martinelli and we actually played much much better when that happened,much better.Ozil can’t take high intensity games/away games.He’s useless in those.He has to go.

    The kid martinelli is special, loved the way he played when he came on.Laca should’ve taken that chance when he got the rebound from pepe’s shot.And I think this is why people are disappointed at him.He has chances like these every game, even against bournemouth and other games as well but he just can’t seem to find his shooting boots.

    #1816001
    steveosnakeeye
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    all strikers go through periods of missing and looking crap then a goal goes in and off they go on a scoring run, as loing as he works hard and contributes in other ways as well as being there to even get those chances then im happy enough

    Martinelli is the real bright spark of a grey old season, fingers crossed he becomes the world beater his talent looks like it go on to be

    #1816070

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    Weird game sort of disappointed but also happy. The performance started well then not so great and then good again in terms of resilience when we went down to 10 men. I don’t appreciate they “quality” of hard work. That is not a quality as anyone can work hard and everyone should. It should be a given he fights for every ball, he is in the team for his Team play and to score goals! He is doing one half of his job well and the other half not so good.

    #1816074
    AndyC
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    Unfortunately for you TSO, Xhaka simply isnt good enough for the prem. I have always maintained that he would excel in Italy, Germany and spain where the game is much much slower. Its not about the player having no ability its about his ability not being suited for the prem in general.

    If you cannot see the difference in the 2 then i really dont know what more to say.

    Fair enough Gooner54, no problem with that stance on Laca, agree that he needs to start finishing off moves, but i always tell my kids when playing footy and my sunday strikers. If you miss thats ok, if you are not there to miss that is not ok the goals will come for him that im sure of.

    #1816089
    The Oracle
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    Problem with Martinelli is he will either flop and be a disappointment, which I doubt or he will be a superstar by the age of 21, which I expect and then he’s in the shop window. Barcelona or Real Madrid phone his agent and he’s gone probably at the end of his contract for peanuts. Sad but that’s how it is when you’re a mid table side who have blown all of your cash on crap and been bombed out of the CL for several years.

    #1816223
    the specialone
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    AndyC – Wenger,Emery,Ljunberg and now Arteta.Ever since xhaka has joined us he’s been a regular starter under all these four managers.The only time he was ever dropped is after the captaincy debacle and Emery gave into the pressure of the fans.

    More importantly,Arteta is the fourth manager to sing praises of him since he’s been here.Even his character.
    Let me get this straight,Here is a player who wanted to leave the club and the sole reason for that was the constant abuse he was hearing from fans.Personal terms agreed with Hertha.Transfer fee could’ve been sorted as well.Yet a new manager comes in and does his best to convince him to stay.If he’s so useless and not good enough…Why even bother?Transfer out would’ve suited both parties.

    Xhaka has been pretty good under Arteta as he’s finding ways to play people to their strengths and limit their weaknesses.Considering all this,it’s bamboozling for anyone to still make a case against xhaka.I’m sorry but it’s reached to a point where opinions on him don’t matter one but.This is the third professional manager who deems him to be good enough, and yet we still have fans arguing otherwise.It’s infact me who’s lost for words now after this.

    #1816245

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    Thanks Andy C. Appreciated for your comment. There seems to be an “Element”, that uses innuendos and derogatory comment when “their” viewpoint is not agreed with. It’s a pity, as it stifles logical debate and creates division amongst those who, in essence,are travelling the same road.
    I remember a family member, long passed, who could not stand Jon Sammels. He felt, that he was the weak link in the Arsenal side back then. I guess we all have our one player, who just doesn’t make it. Lacazette is mine. I would love to see him step up, to what I think he is capable of, and would publically eat my opinion/words on this page. Actually with relish (excuse the pun). It would be better for the team, the one we all support. Respect.

    GFL.

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