August 2, 2019 at 12:39 pm #1770832
“What a mess” just about sums it up Nine.
So far, this entire Brexshit episode has been one big nightmarish fairy-story.
3 years of utter incompetent futility by Little May Muppet, is now followed by Boris In Blunderland!
The future of our green a pleasant land sure doesn’t look too rosy at the moment.
Lenny.August 2, 2019 at 1:15 pm #1770840
All together now ………
There’ll always be an England
While there’s a country lane,August 2, 2019 at 1:17 pm #1770843
nine nine nineModerator
Lenny, it’s Parliament as a whole!
Both major parties went to the Country on a manifesto that promised to honour the people’s vote and deliver Brexit.
After voting through Article 50 Parliament has refused to deliver Brexit because too many MP’s and different factions have their own agendas.
It’s a disgrace imo and I voted Remain.August 2, 2019 at 2:05 pm #1770856
Too true Nine. As Viv Stanshall once said: “No matter who you vote for, it’s the government that always get in”. Self-serving twats the lot of them…August 28, 2019 at 11:17 am #1778402
The governmnet is about to ask the queen to suspend parliament, according to the BBC.August 28, 2019 at 11:25 am #1778411
Lenny-1984,my friend!August 28, 2019 at 9:05 pm #1778570
Too true red! George had it all sussed even back then in 1949! It makes you wonder why our schools never made 1984 essential reading for kids instead of cramming their heads with Enid Blyton and bloody Shakespeare.
Lenny.August 29, 2019 at 7:28 am #1778599
no need to Panic…. THE DONALD loves us!August 29, 2019 at 11:12 am #1778684
Lenny-Not making 1984 an essential part of education WORLDWIDE is a criminal negligence,or @ least it should be.And not just 1984,WE from Zamyatin,too!
ps:did George really compare the Room 101 to the BBC??? Maybe,just maybe,thats why he only lasted a year longer……..August 29, 2019 at 8:31 pm #1778883
Red. Sadly enough, George pegged out only 6 days after I was born but I must admit there is a synergy between the BBC and Room 101. Both are found to be found wanting to say the least.
Hat’s off to Yevgeny though. That boy could not only tell it like was and is, he told it like it inevitably will be…. He saw the future and it’s murder.
But fuck it, let’s enjoy it while we still can….
Drink up mate,
Lenny.August 30, 2019 at 5:25 am #1778921
It makes you wonder why our schools never made 1984 essential reading
A sound knowledge of science fiction world orders would no doubt help fuel the drive for a pie-in-the-sky utopia like the EU and foster a healthy imagination for doommongering about dystopian chaos that will ensue should a people ever dream of free will and self determination……..
and bloody Shakespeare.
Ahhh, the tell-tale sign of the Plebeian.
…… whereas historical lessons about power hungry lords, mad kings, scheming courtiers, backstabbing in halls of power, conflict, duplicity, betrayal and the fatal flaws of man would teach us nothing about Westminster or Brussels.
PS- For some of us both 1984 and Shakespeare were essential reading.August 30, 2019 at 5:33 am #1778922
My fondness for history made me picture in my mind Lord Protector Boris entering Parliament with pikemen to clear out those unruly self-serving members.
Smart move, MPs have been prepared to use every dirty trick to block Brexit and serve their own political ends so shouldn’t be surprised at Boris stooping to their level.August 30, 2019 at 12:36 pm #1779063
But fuck it, let’s enjoy it while we still can….
Drink up mate, Lol.
Hats off to Yevgeny Ivanovich Zamyatin indeed.What a clever sod he was,being able to see the future-which is indeed murder!
Lenny-What are the odds that reading the autobiography of Beckham and Katie Price will become essential?Hehehe!
ps:were you really born 6 days before George was “murdered”?August 31, 2019 at 5:36 am #1779286
Cannot understand the idea of Brexit, It’s going to cause massive job losses and nearly everyone including the economy will be negatively hit by it amongst other new problems, the vote at the time was mainly an emotional issue cause of various reasons which not going to go into now but imo they should have had another vote and I can guarantee it would go unanimously the other way. Too late now but it’s going to get dark.September 1, 2019 at 9:23 pm #1779892
Mac. I’ve had Shakespeare stuffed down my throat since I could piss before I got a hard-on. The school I attended forced us to endure 5 years of it! Remember, this was the 60’s and we were all sidetracked and happily getting off on everything new that was going on at the time. To tell the truth, most people really didn’t give a flying fuck about what happened 4 hundred years ago back then!
That said, our headmaster was a serious Bard freak and forced my entire class to quote Will’s words of wisdom verbatim almost daily. And if we didn’t, we’d get seriously physically abused!!! So we obviously quoted anything the sadistic bastard wanted us to say.
I can still quote many of Shakespeare’s well known sound bites. Especially the relatively unknown ones from “The Merchant of Venice” that was drilled into us verbatim for an entire year with more than a fair share of sadistic violence!
I’ve read my fill of Shakespeare Mac and am in awe of his repertoire, especially his eternal quotes. But to be honest I did prefer Orwell and Zamyatin for a decent read.
All that said, what was your point on this Mac? Feel free to enlighten me.
Red, please excuse my ignorance mate. I’m obviously aware of Beckham. Who isn’t? He’s more famous than Shakespeare!
I really have no idea of who Katie Price is though. What’s her game? Does she go?
Lenny.September 2, 2019 at 5:35 am #1779896
@Lenny – I responded, somewhat tongue in cheek (didn’t you notice) because your “bloody Shakespeare” seemed derisory.
I like you had Shakespeare rammed down my throat in the 60s at a grammar school and largely hated it. But my anger is aimed more at archaic teaching methods than the Bard. Drilling was seen as the way we learn our 9 times table, amo amas amat and the periodic table. My appreciation, love of Shakespeare came in later life but would not have been possible without the pain of those lessons. Drilling is maybe a necessary evil in that even you can still remember the lines. Anyhow thats for an education topic.
But lets be fair, Shakespeare is plays, drama, not novels. Is it not fair that an actor should learn to remember and deliver lines. Is this skill not useful when you are giving your passionate speech about remaining in the EU or receiving your businessman of the year award. You should not compare it with a novel, its not intended to be a good read just a good show.
And remember we should have been studying Shakespeare not merely reading or remembering the lines. This means focus on the characters, their fatal flaws, motivations annd what drives them.
But my comment was largely about the historical plays. I am a history lover and believe history can help us face the problems of today. Great generals studied 1000 year old battles and politicians and activists look to history. It is the value of history I am discussing. And the fact most people dont care what happened 400 years ago is the reason they are the hoi polloi not the leaders.
Your appreciation of 1984 is understandable but in my day we read many great works, Hardy, Austen etc. and modern writers BUT in an English class the focus is not on the story, its on how the story is told. The ENGLISH. An English class would not be discussing politics.
AND THEREIN lies the root problem. The curriculum in my day and I suspect today does not teach us politics, civil rights, social responsibilities or anything that may make us better and more knowledgeable citizens. Thats where 1984 should be referenced.
PS – Most sci fi is rightly catalogued as fiction as should many of the writings behind cults like Mormons and Scientologists. On close examination they have more holes than a swiss cheese. 1984 has come an gone and the reality is nothing like Orwells 1984.September 2, 2019 at 9:02 pm #1780142
“I like you had Shakespeare rammed down my throat in the 60s at a grammar school and largely hated it. But my anger is aimed more at archaic teaching methods than the Bard”.
Yes Mac and so was mine! It was a very tough experience in grammar school for me, but I subsequently grew to appreciate and increasingly respect the Bard’s words of wisdom. But not before I left a school that thinking back was full of sadistic paedophile degenerates. My appreciation of Shakespeare increased well after the Beatles released Let It Be and went their separate ways.
I have absolutely no idea whatsoever what the British school curriculum teaches kids these days, I hope they are learning something meaningful and useful to cope with their adult life, but I doubt it, and I suspect Shakespeare is nowhere near the top of the list.
In retrospect, 1984 has indeed dated somewhat, but it was incredibly thought provoking back then regardless of how many holes in its cheese.
It was certainly light years ahead of its time.
LennySeptember 17, 2019 at 3:10 pm #1783566
Lenny-Hows things in the murder Capital,matey?You missing living there yet?LolSeptember 17, 2019 at 9:00 pm #1783664
No Red. I can honestly say, I don’t miss the part of London that I grew up in at all. I still have to go back there occasionally but its culture has changed beyond belief, even the predominant spoken language is different.
It tangibly feels no longer conducive to the comparative safe and healthy way of life I was lucky enough to grow up with, especially after dark…
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