Pep Guardiola: Yaya Toure says Man City boss 'often has problems with Africans'

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    mufc
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    steveosnakeeye
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    in all henesty it sounds like a crock of shit to me

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    Blueowner
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    It’s that old race card trick. It’s always used as a self defense mechanism to have a go at someone you may be having a dispute with. In this case the player is not a regular selection but its widely used in all forms of life as well.

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    nine nine nine
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    Sad!

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    Shinehead4
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    In his prime Ya Ya was truly world class, it’s very sad to see this sort of comment from him.

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    I don’t think this is unusual, and it is not neccessarily about race, it has been known for a while that coaches aren’t keen on having too many African players in their teams, but this was always about them going away mid season to play in the ACN, so it is more about them not being able to do their job for the team 100% rather than the race they are. If you were an employer and there were 2 people equally qualified for the job but one was going to dissapear for 6 weeks every few of years and the other wasn’t who would you employ?

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    “I do not know why but I have the impression that he was jealous, he took me for a rival. As if I made him a little shade.

    “He was cruel to me. I came to wonder if it was not because of my colour.

    “I am not the first to talk about these differences in treatment. In Barca, some have also asked the question.

    “When we realise he often has problems with Africans wherever he goes, I ask myself questions.

    “I want to be the one who breaks the myth of Guardiola.”

    “Pep likes to dominate and wants to have his obedient players kissing his hands. I don’t like that kind of relationship. I respect my coach but that’s not for me.”

    “He took away my chance to say goodbye to City, a club with wonderful fans. I would have liked to leave in the same way that Iniesta and (Gianluigi) Buffon did, but Pep stopped that”

    Very unusual for a player to come out with such things and a bit deeper than just the ANC Pax.

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    Didn’t the same player have a massive hissy fit because he wasn’t appreciated enough on his birthday. Think it’s YaYa that has the massive ego and can’t handle authority. Hope Pep ignores these comments…they don’t deserve a response.

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    hatters
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    I find it strange that any of you can dismiss these claims as the “ol’ race card” without having experienced any of what he describes first hand – sounds like a ready made, ‘head in the sand’ rebuttal to me. This type of a comment cannot be confirmed nor denied. I have noticed that Toure seems to have quite a complex about racism in football, he mentions it very often – is it another case of Yaya being overly sensitive because of his undoubtedly huge ego or is he the most vocal of the black players when these issues arise??

    I don’t think anyone on this forum is in any position of authority to comment.

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    Romansdirtypants
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    Hatters… Racism is still a big deal in football. There is a difference now in how it is reported from thirty/ forty years ago. Yaya is a fantastic player and in his pomp bullied opposition players and teams off the park. An absolute monster of a player who destroyed Chelsea on numerous occasions. A bully will know another bully. An egotist will know a fellow egotist. Someone who has been on the end of racist abuse knows all about it.

    He probably mentions it because it is still rife in the game. Just check yesterdays headlines on players being concerned about being on the end of racist abuse in Russia ahead of the cup. See Zenit’s race relations over the past 10 years. FIFA doesn’t think racism is in football.. Blatter once said it doesn’t come from football but society.

    https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/sep/25/fifa-anti-racism-task-force-russia-2018-world-cup

    https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/sport/2017/01/racism-british-football-clear-our-newspapers-well-stands

    https://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/mar/02/kick-it-out-racism-football-fa-david-conn-lord-ouseley

    https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/20031685 (35% increase in racism reports)

    (A selection of articles from a number of years)

    Lets not even start with Sarri’s alleged comments while at Napoli that look to have scuppered his chances of managing Chelsea.

    There is clearly bad blood between the two. Ask Zlatan what he thinks of pep… There are numerous others who dont see eye to eye with him. Yaya Toure is obviously incensed about something and is putting the boot in. He’s more than capable of doing that and if there is any life in this it’ll rumble on. Winners come in all shapes and sizes… So do Racists and racism.

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    999 – I wasn’t tlking about what Yaya thinks, I was talking about what other managers have said in the past about player going off for the ACN and why they would have too many in the squad.

    As far as Yaya goes I think he is just throwing his toys once more, it is not like he doesn’t have a history, as far as wanting a send off like Buffon and Iniesta what world is he living in, he’ll be wanting a testimonial next. Yaya’s City career is no where near what Buffon and Iniesta gave to their clubs.

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    Al The Gooner
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    Hatters, you’re right, no one really knows, apart from Pep himself, but as Stuilse points out, Yaya is famous for his ego and his need for attention and so it’s not much of a stretch to believe that he’s just bitter that he’s now been discarded.

    Also strikes me that it would be very hard for someone like Pep to have had the success he has had, both as a player and manager, if he had a problem with Black or African players.

    I’m sure that over the coming days there will be plenty of Pep’s former players, of all races, stepping forward and giving their opinion but my money is on Yaya ending up looking stupid and bitter.

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    @romansdirtypants. Excellent post mate. A sensitive subject like a racism allegation must be analyzed properly with complete information before judgement, it still baffles me how everyone here seems to have dismissed Yaya’s claim because of his previous behaviour in unrelated issues but I guess that’s what happens when you’re the boy who cried wolf and whatnot.

    In any case as I said, in my opinion no one on this forum is in a position to make a judgement call on these allegations.

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    Paxman, clubs and Managers sign African players in the knowledge that they will lose them for 6 weeks every other season to the ACN.

    As others have touched upon I think there was bad blood between Pep and Yaya previously as Pep showed him the door at Barca, Pep also fell out big time with Zlatan too no players like to be subbed or left on the bench or worse not picked at all unfortunately Managers have to make difficult decisions I think Al’s post above sums it up nicely but we’re all still looking from the outside in.

    Whatever the reasons I think it’s a shame to see a great player like Yaya attack a great Manager like Pep as publicly as this.

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    Alfie07
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    Spot on Hatters.

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    steveosnakeeye
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    Hatters of course we have a right to comment and give our opinon and yes it is ONLY that as, as you say, we may nt have ALL the facts.

    Him saying things like:

    “I do not know why but I have the impression that he was jealous, he took me for a rival. As if I made him a little shade.
    “Pep likes to dominate and wants to have his obedient players kissing his hands. I don’t like that kind of relationship. I respect my coach but that’s not for me.”
    “He took away my chance to say goodbye to City, a club with wonderful fans. I would have liked to leave in the same way that Iniesta and (Gianluigi) Buffon did, but Pep stopped that”

    nothing to do with racism and all to do with EGO (IMHO)

    hope you dont mind i had the audacity to comment……

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    999 – As I said, yes managers sign African players knowing that they will lose them, but plenty have stated in the past that it is a consideration and a concern, it is not rocket science, if 5 of your preferred starting 11 are African and they all qualify for the ACN your club is going to struggling during that 6 weeks.

    Yes Pep has fallen out with Yaya, and Zlatan, also Eto, when you have the man percieved as the best manager in the world and he is telling players with big ego’s that they are not required these players are going to get the arse and moan about the manager.

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    Steveo – Too right, why is it we don’t have the right to comment? Is that because we are white? Is that in itself not a display of racism?

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    hatters
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    @steveosnakeeye. I don’t own this forum mate, you are free to comment as you please. I am the devil’s advocate here and am simply baffled by how the majority on this thread have fallen upon a conclusion with zero evidence besides a scathing comment made to the media by an obviously upset man who has a history of being a bit of a bellend.

    I sense a confirmation bias, that’s all (or maybe I’ve had too much sensitivity training hehehehe).

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    Al The Gooner
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    Hatters, doesn’t it strike you as odd that in all the years Pep’s been playing and managing, this is the first we’re hearing of any alleged racism on his part? If it’s so blatantly obvious to Toure, then why is this the first we’re hearing of it?

    The problem is that you have to be very careful with these sorts of allegations and, guilty or not, this is a stink that will stay with Pep now. Every time he drops or sells a Black or African player, his motives will be questioned.

    Everyone is innocent until proven guilty and, going on the histories of the two people involved, it seems fair to give Pep the benefit of the doubt, at least until and unless we know otherwise. Is it just coincidence that, so far, most people on this forum seem to want to do that, apart from the Man U fans? I’m not suggesting there’s anything sinister at play here but sometimes our club loyalties cloud our judgement a little, without us even realising it.

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