Pep Guardiola: Yaya Toure says Man City boss 'often has problems with Africans'

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    Alfie07
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    Fair enough.

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    steveosnakeeye
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    Alfie…. and wisefan is African also….

    And what type of poster is Al? Other than a good poster who isn’t a troll doesn’t wind up other fans, articulated himself well and hasn’t been removed as moderates???

    Chump

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    Alfie07
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    Stevo – wow, no need for personal insults or name calling. Please focus your attempt to troll elsewhere.

    Wisefan being African means nothing unless he has played football for Pep.

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    Blueowner
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    Totally correct WF well said

    #1645983
    Dandy
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    Alfie,

    Good morning. Earlier in the thread you said this ‘Wise-fan – why can’t pep and racism be mentioned in the same sentence? Can you tell who is racist by looking at them? Can you tell who is a paedophile just with once glance too?’.
    Now of course you’re correct, we can’t tell a racist by looking at somebody however, if you think it’s ok to label a person without evidence. Try this, Alfie you are a neo nazi. Disprove it.

    #1646149
    Romansdirtypants
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    Lots of white middle age honkies on here commenting. 😂

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    Alfie07
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    Good afternoon Dandy, i’m not suggesting that Pep is a racist. He doesn’t need to prove he is not, most people have decided that Yaya is lying. It’s the daft reasons that people are using to attack Yaya that I have an issue with.

    Racism is something that is vile, but those on the end of it often struggle to speak up. When they do they are often faced with the nonsense that many on here have come up with.

    How anyone can judge who is racist just by looking at them, or the style of football they play, or how good they are at managing a football team is beyond me – and you as well from your comment above.

    I also find it laughable that some are trying to claim Yaya was past it when he joined City, or that Eto’o was ancient when Barca sold him.

    Yaya might have been upset over a lack of birthday cake, but that doesn’t mean he is wrong with whatever else he thinks.

    No-one knows what went on between him and Pep, or when. It may have built up over time and just recently came to a head.

    There are those that think if you are being racially abused at a football club you should simply move clubs. I don’t believe that.

    No-one is right or wrong in this debate, but I find some of the claims being made laughable.

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    Wise-Fan, please don’t start portraying Pep as a saint. Or as the best manager of all time. He had the best team last year and had loads of help from both the Prem League and the referee’s association, They didn’t need that help, but they got it anyway. But, don’t forget the couple of matches when things didn’t all go their way, and how ugly he turned then.

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    Alfie: Toure signed a new 1 year contract with City in Jun 17. Why would Pep offer him a new contract and why it?

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    Alfie07
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    Kopite – I neither know, nor care why Yaya signed the extension deal. I doubt anyone on here know’s either.

    As I have said previously I am not claiming pep to be a racist. I am merely stating that accusations of racism should be treated with the respect, dignity and intelligence that they deserve. Not this shower of tripe that is being exhibited on here. If anyone really thinks Pep can’t be racist because his football teams play nice football then they need to give their head a wobble.

    However, I will play devils advocate in order to give you some form of answer.

    Maybe the straw that broke the camels back happened after he signed. Maybe Pep didn’t offer him the extension, but the club hierarchy did. Maybe Yaya thought he would not move on because of, what he perceived to be, a manger who had issues with Africans. Maybe he thought he could suffer one more year of it.

    Who knows? It’s not my argument and unless more comes out (to either back up Pep or to see what Yaya’s specific claims are) then we might never know.

    Playing devils advocate further – why haven’t any African players leapt to Pep’s defence? Maybe they will do so shortly, or perhaps we will never know the answer to that either – again, for clarity, it’s not my argument.

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    Dandy
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    Alfie, my worry here is that mud does stick and this story will now be regurgitated every team Pep drops a player who isn’t white. It’s a very dangerous game to assume guilt, I realise you aren’t. Toure , in my view, has made an unfounded, unsupported and unsubstantiated accusation. In fact, if I were Pep I’d be looking at legal advice. Like you, I can’t say if Pep is racist or not. I highly doubt it. I just don’t know when our society started taken accusation without evidence seriously. I could list dozens of reasons that would suggest pep isn’t racist

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    Alfie07
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    I would go a little further, Dandy. I think it’s quite cowardly to make general claims like those Toure has, without then going on to explain further what he meant – giving examples. That would allow people to make a more informed decision as to whether or not there was any substance behind the words.

    The City PR department will not be happy with this and have no doubt looked at going through the courts. So Pep would have a lot of resource behind him if he wanted to do that.

    However, given the wording used by Toure I would guess that he was also advised by a solicitor with what he could and couldn’t say. He didn’t label Pep at racist – others have drawn the implication themselves. Whether Pep can sue for that I’m not sure.

    Yaya used clever phrasing like “when we realise he often has problems with Africans wherever he goes, I ask myself questions.” And something like “… I started to wonder if it was about my colour” I’m not sure that is libellous. I’m not sure if he is not allowed to wonder whatever he wants. I may be wrong there though and maybe he can sue for the implied accusation.

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    Dandy
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    Agree with all of that Alfie

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    steveosnakeeye
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    Alfie you still have not said what kind of poster Al is?

    If you cant handle “chump” as a personal insult then you are a delicate flower

    as for you ebing removed as a mod, that was all down to you my friend…

    respectfully waiting for an answer to my original question…..

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    Al The Gooner
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    Cheers Steveo – I think he means I’m one of those posters that actually reads the article I’m commenting on!

    RDP – that’s both racist and ageist! 😉

    Alfie – “Racism is something that is vile, but those on the end of it often struggle to speak up.”

    First part of that sentence, I hope everyone agrees with. Second part certainly applies to many, many people but if you’re trying to paint Toure as a shrinking violet, or as someone who has no choice but to stay in the job he’s in, that’s ridiculous.

    We know from the last ten years that Yaya has no problem speaking out when he wants to. Even if Pep was a fully paid-up neo-Nazi, then Yaya just comes across as someone who cares more about money than he does about racism – even when it’s directed towards his own ethnicity.

    The ‘suffering in silence’ thing doesn’t really fit a millionaire footballer who could walk into most teams in most countries – or at least he could have a year ago – and especially not one who is as outspoken as Yaya.

    This is the guy who threw a very public tantrum over City not celebrating his birthday properly, ffs! You’re actually suggesting he’d make a fuss about that, but not about racism?

    In summation, Pep’s alleged racism is still nothing more than alleged and everyone deserves the benefit of the doubt. Yaya is going to look like a tosser, regardless of what the truth is.

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    RDP – ‘White middle aged honkies’ what you mean oppssed to ‘Black middle class honkies’? 🙂

    #1646572
    steveosnakeeye
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    and now Pep has come out to refute those claims also, unfortunatly no doubt some of the mud may stick but no surprising a ManYoo fan wants a ManCiteh manager to be under more pressure….

    #1646576
    Romansdirtypants
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    Paxman.. I was commentating from my white privileged background sir… I was appropriating culture in delivering my assessment on some of the comments on here which are exactly why the game has issues with race among other social issues. Sorry if I DID CAUSE OFFENCE TO ANY POSTER…

    In a nutshell.
    My issue with Yaya is that he has put the boot in publicly when if he honestly holds the belief that Pep has discriminated against him on the basis of ethnicity, he should have gone through club channels first, and then the players union/ kick it out campaigners etc before airing his views and effectively becoming a “whistle blower.” The game needs current players advocating against all forms of discrimination and education is continuous process…

    Interestingly, Pep has responded and city have so far ignored the interview. That is pretty telling imo, it could change but I doubt it. It could take a nasty turn but it’ll probably end there.

    I hope the World Cup passes off without incident tbh and our players can all perform to whatever potential they have.

    #1646580
    banjo_chuckers
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    And what do we all think about with regards to Stan Collymore’s latest outburst? Where would that fit in?

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    Paxman
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    RDP – My comment wasn’t about you upsetting or offending people it was a comment about saying White Honkies, it is a bit like saying a female girl, not neccessary to state the one thing twice in a sentance. It was a bit of a lighthearted piss take, nothing more.

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