"PLAY THE YOUTH" they said

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    the specialone
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    If there is ever an occasion to prove that playing so many Youngsters just isn’t the right way forward,it is today.I mean seriously,I don’t know some fans obsession with wanting to play youngsters out there.This is modern football, it has changed.You have to adapt,You can’t do whatever you want.Pep guardiola has spent 100m on Jack Grealish?Why?Couldn’t he just find one in city’s academy?NO.Because he knows what it takes to win.

    Today Martinelli,ESR,SAKA,LOKONGA all started.So why is it we didn’t get the result?

    Saka didn’t even look match fit.He should’ve fought harder for the penalty incident.No desire from him.

    ESR?Asked for the number 10 shirt.yet in two games he has zero goals and assists.

    Martinelli?People were practically begging to see him start.Again two games and hardly proved he’s upto the task.
    If Willian started, he’d have been criticised all round.
    Lokonga as well.

    My point?Don’t get me wrong.I love these players.But Most of them are not ready to start and the last two games have proves just that.They’re not ready to carry the mantle.Because they are “Developing players”.Understand what that means.They are far from their prime still.They need to develop, they need experience.

    People seriously need to stop saying “play the youngsters” now.Because all they’ve proved is we can’t really succeed with them.

    Yes,two or three youngsters in a line up filled with experience I’m all for it.But to see so many youngsters only disappointing.
    I knew when I saw the lineup we had no chance.

    #1985769
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    Youth academy players are much better than our useless mercenary shitplayers.
    Off course what did i expect from you. You would write a whole novell while the air howls through your empty head
    Go back to library and learn about football.This isnt football manager game.

    #1985770

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    All we have is youth and old muppets that belong on the scrapheap. We dont have one single player that is top quality and in the prime years.

    We have the both extremes and none of which is better than the other but given the future i prefer the Young ones than the scrapheap in form of Elneny, Mari, Xhaka, Willian

    #1985778

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    Then we have superstars Cedric, Chambers, Bellerin and anyone that believes that the non youth will do better get real we need a new team of those for that to happen.

    As for Arteta he does not have a clue… he wont be here long this season. We have no structure, no movement, no speed, no tactical nous under him. He is out of his depth no doubt.

    Injuries and sickness sure an excuse however Tierney leaving Reece run free for 35 min without Arteta seeing that and adressing it there are no excuses for.

    #1985874
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    Another moronic thread from the resident idiot. Who were our best players last season? Yes the two youngest, Saka and Smith-Rowe. Who were our poorest, Xhaka, Bellerin, Abameyang. Who were our best players yesterday, Smith-Rowe, Lokonga, Holding. Who were the poorest Xhaka, Mari and Pepe. The senior players are the problem in this team and have been for years. Ozil, Mustafi, Sokratis had to be paid to leave because they were so bad and they have been shit with their new clubs. Xhaka is the poorest player at the club and the useless Arteta makes him captain. Get rid of Bellerin, Kolasinac, Mari, Xhaka, Abameyang and Lacazette, Elneny, play our youth players, give them a chance. For example why didn’t AMN play right back yesterday, he’s far better than Cedric, why can’t Tierney defend? There’s no point letting Arteta spend any more money as he’s gone before the end of the season. I told you 3 years ago it was going to take 10 years to put Wenger’s mess right, thinking his failures like Xhaka can do it is insanity. We need fresh blood, young hungry players. What we don’t need is Arteta.

    #1985933
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    Muffler – Nope,The fans have been barking since a year.Play the youth.First two games of the season the kids were played and we scored zero goals, conceded four and they just proved they’re not upto it.There’s no excuses mate,You can’t judge players differently if they cost 5m,10, or 100m.They have to be judged on whether they are performing upto the task and they’re not because we’re not getting the results.

    Martinelli for example – After the first two games,It just been proven that Arteta was right not to start him in many games last season.I see him more as an impactful sub but that’s about it.
    I’m not saying Willian is the answer as well,Not at all.

    The problem is people have such different perspectives when different players play.
    People are usually raving about ESR’s performance.I mean seriously,they are so Biased towards him.He neither scored and hardly created anything.Yes,I love him personally but I call it as I see it and he’s not ready to be a starter.I’d rather have him loaned to another PL club for experience,Instead this club has given him the no 10 shirt which just proves how bad they are at decision making.

    We need more players in their prime,More players between age 26-30.We have too young a squad I feel and that’s what scares me.It’s inexperienced and it has already cost us.

    Cavey – Go back into your cave fella.You’re giving the forum clown some competition.
    Youth academy players are better?What are you basing this on?We’ve lost the first two games playing them.Yet another poster who speaks absolute gibberish and doesn’t actually back it up with facts.Looks like I have to start ignoring you as well.

    #1985946

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    Sure Xhaka, Cedric, Pepe, Mari, Bellerin, Pepe and Elneny will make us dominate and win games face it the old guard is not the solution. If thats the option I go for youth as they have a chance to improve the other dont.

    Against Chelsea Xhaka, Cedric and Mari where the worst on the pitch where as ESR and Lokonga were the best that tells you that experience in our squad does not mean quality.

    If you think so then you are probably the only one.

    #1985968
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    Muffler, he’s a total idiot, just ignore him. I gave up reading his crap 2 years ago but the replies to him tell me all I need to know and they underline how totally clueless he is. If I was you I’d just ignore him, nothing he posts demonstrates even a modicum of football knowledge.

    #1986064
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    Muffler – I’ve not said old guard is the solution FFS.I’m just saying the youth is not the solution either.

    You keep saying ESR and lokonga were the best players but All I see is biasedness in there.You’re judging them with the view that they are young and have potential.I don’t judge like that.I simply see what kind of job is being done on the pitch.
    For me Age,price etc tag is irrelevant.

    ESR Neither scored nor assisted in his last two games.You can have shout at the defense all you want but it has nothing to do with not scoring goals up front.
    Our front three was ESR,SAKA,PEPE AND MARTINELLI.
    That’s three young players there that failed to do the job.The other is pepe,Who runs around like a headless chicken because he’s got no support from the right back.

    ESR hardly made himself a threat.Yes,a few glimpses here and there of what he’s “capable” of.If you really think that’s a good enough performance then well you’re just proving my point of being biased just because they’re young.
    That’s not to say I’m not an admirer of his but I know what’s being ready and what’s not being ready.
    ESR wouldn’t get into any of the top 4 teams, no ways.Because they actually rely on ready-made players In their prime.If ESR was at city, he’d barely get a few games to play in an entire season.Because Pep would’ve signed Grealish anyhow because he knows what it takes to win.

    And that my friend is the difference in thinking between a club like Man City and Arsenal.

    #1986166

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    Well who should play then some new players we dont have?

    Im saying youth is the best that we currently have is that the best no but what else do we have, nothing.

    In a perfect world If we sign top players in their prime then sure i agree with you. But to say youth should not play when we have nothing else is pointless.

    #1986212
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    Err..No!

    What exactly are you not able to understand.Because from what I can read from your posts you’re basically admitting this squad is shite.You have some old players who are in their twilight years and lost interest to impress so don’t put that much effort it.Correct.

    We also have Young players who need time to develop, they’re inexperienced but the problem is they are paired with Inexperience as well.There’s no balance,there’s not enough players on the pitch they can learn from.

    So basically, neither are good enough.You say you prefer younger ones rather than older ones?Fair enough.If given a choice between playing Martinelli/Chambers and Willian/cedric I’d play the former for sure.But it doesn’t excuse that neither of the young guard or old guard are good enough.

    Which is what I’m saying, the recruitment has been absolute shite.You mention Arteta’s name…But the truth is no matter who he plays we are never going to get these results espescially in important games.
    You mention Arteta’s names..as if we had another manager that would come in and suddenly make this old guard or young guard perform miracles.No he won’t, so there’s no point asking for a chance in manager.We’ve had 3 managers.

    The PROBLEM is more to do with the running of the club and recruitment.By asking for a managerial change, you’re again wasting 2 years of your life.I can guarantee you the next manager you will ask for him to be sacked within 2 years.I can GUARANTEE you that.

    All I’m saying is if fans really want a change at the club…They should start pointing their arrows at the kroneks.Until they change, nothing will change.I’ve been saying this for the good part of the last decade and have only been gone onto to be proved right becasuse they’re the only constants at the club.

    #1986236

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    No Im saying that its all fine If the goal is to rebuild by only buying young players for the future. Because the quality of the young is quite good. They are not shit like the old ones are. Its Arteta and the club who say the goal is EL spot minimum and a trophy. There is the discrepency. Why lie about that?

    But buying only young without having quality and experience to build from will not work. That blame lies with Arteta, Edu and the board. The plan they say they have is flawed. They dont have the experience to build from the bottom up and thats a problem.

    We need a manager who can do this and for that not Arteta. He is part of the recruitement more so than Emery was. He has wanted every player that we have signed. So your defence of him that he has no say is wrong he has.

    #1986251

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    So the team of youth you are seeing being built now is built by Edu and Arteta. They are responsible for this team wheter you try to shift the blame elsewhere and exclude Arteta from any responsibillity. I like some of the signings they have made no doubt about that but without 2-3 more top of the line players like a RB and a Striker they are not succeeding.

    Lets wait and see If they do get rid of players If they go for those. If not then we will struggle all season and possibly destroy some younger players development in the process.

    #1986335
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    Muffler – No manager will get better out of this squad.What you fail to understand is that Arteta hasn’t underachieved till now.Arsenal might have,But Arteta has not.

    In his first season,He overachieved.
    In his second season,he neither overachieved nor underachieved.
    In his third season which has just begun,It’s been two games where he’s had more than half of his first team out and yet those same idiotic fans are jumping on the same bandwagon of wanting the manager sacked.

    Can you guys at least have the balls to admit that you’ll were wrong about wenger and Emery?You wanted both sacked and we’ve only regressed.
    All that proves is Arsenal fans are the worst judges of “who is good enough to be the manager and who’s not”.I’m just speaking certain hard truths.

    Appointing a new manager every season is no joke.He brings a new whole philosophy and process with him, which takes time to implement.

    It’s simple, the money being spent in the transfer market is more or less irrelevant because this is a very very very poor squad that always needed a massive rebuild to get back to challenging for the top 4.
    130m is nowhere near enough.It’s not Arteta’s fault that David Luiz failed to sign a new contract.If he had this club would’ve saved money on buying a defender,espescially 50m on an unproven one.I agree with you that the recruitment is absolute crap but it doesn’t change the fact that a new manager will come in and not do much better.

    Remember,I SAID THE EXACT SAME THING ABOUT WENGER AND EMERY and I was proved right in the end.

    You guys want a change, point the finger towards to kronkes.

    #1986391

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    While you are the only expert that knows everything you mean?

    We regressed under Wengers last years and under Emery and under Arteta.

    Arteta is being backed with money and he has a say on transfers and soon he will have more players in the team that he wants. If thats enough no probably not given that all he and Edu went for is young players. Spending 130m like that will just lead to one thing If it fails bad results and him being fired.

    Its the way of football its a result based game its not like in the US where you cant get relegated and can go long term If you want to without nobody being bothered.

    #1986435
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    Call me and expert or whatever you want.I like to deal with facts because they’re objective and not subjective.

    Whether you thought wenger was good enough or not,The simple fact is FANS hounded him out with the hope that the next manager will come in and do a better job.
    Result wise he didn’t.

    We hired Emery but he got a mismanaged squad.People will say – “Oh but Emery was not the right appointment or he wasn’t good enough”.That’s bullcrap.He literally made history at Villarreal by winning them their first piece of silverware ever and made them qualify for the CL.If you want to use that as an excuse that he wasn’t good enough that’s just a terrible excuse.

    Then FANS hounded Emery out.
    Arteta took over, whilst he won us the FA cup the FACT still remains that result wise we have regressed in the PL.
    Now fans want Arteta sacked?I guarantee you he will join another club sooner rather than later and show his true potential there.

    All this cycle has proven is that fans really don’t know what they want.They’ll never be contempt and they’ll never be able to identify the true problems at the club – It’s not the manager.
    Everytime things go south,They look for the easier option that is to Sack the manger and be proved wrong again because we will just further regress as has already been proved.

    You want to direct your anger,Do it towards the main people responsible for the current mess we’re in – The kronkes.

    But for God sake, don’t go around in circles.

    #1986468
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    Muffler, I admire your persistence but you must know by now you’re dealing with a complete idiot. He’s never got anything right on football and Arsenal, a club he knows nothing about and he writes never ending babbling nonsense. Give it up man, you’re banging your head against a brick wall.

    #1986488

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    I have my view so dont put me in some general bracket with fans with an agenda to hound someone out.

    My view is this.

    Kroenke are the main culprits for our demise.

    Edu and Arteta are not experienced enough to handle this big rebuild. They are with one week left of the window not close to a balanced squad.

    As for Emery I was against that appointment from day one. I gave him time to prove me wrong he failed.

    On Arteta my view was that he was inexperienced. Sure he was Peps number 2 but for me Pep is a manager who only coaches teams where they can get him what he wants. How would he fare with less quality I have doubts he will manage that in a good way. I gave Arteta support and it started ok and the FA cup win a surprise. What I liked was his no nonsense towards the players. Now though that more looks like he has favourites even though they perform like shit on the pitch. So its not like that anymore.

    Arteta can become a great manager but If results are not there he will be fired more than once just like every manager out there knows. Can one find excuses for the results sure thats always possible but it will not paper of the results.

    I just dont accept mediocracy from top to bottom in this club.

    #1986491

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    Oracle I dont do name calling and while I disagree with things he say I agree with some parts such as Kroenke.

    I dont answer on everything but I do call out certain aspects of what he writes both If i agree and If I dont.

    I dont take things to serious on here. Its just a way to get some thoughts of my chest.

    #1986496
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    Up to you if you wish to engage with someone who obviously knows nothing about football and has clearly never seen Arsenal play. It’s a fruitless exercise though as you will come to learn.

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