March 28, 2021 at 2:02 pm #1937931
What is your valuation of our players who had decent game time, based on this season alone, PL and CL? Not taking into account age or contract because that would be overly complicated, I know you slightly disagreed with my my valuation of Salah so get yours here Mak.
Alisson – 70M.
TAA – 35 M could do better.
Phillips – 25 M easily though didn’t play that much
Kabak – 25 M quite promising
Robertson – 30 M performance has dropped slightly
Henderson – 45 M still solid, vocal and very good captain
Thiago – 25 M better in the CL
Fabinho – 80 M would pay that money for him no problem
Gini – 45 M looks tired recently but was very consistent earlier
Jones – 40 M very assured and confident, keeps the ball really well
Salah – 60 M for his goalscoring record
Mane – 45 M performance has dropped a fair bit
Firmino – 35 M looks like the Bobby who played under Rodgers
Jota – 80 M on par with FabinhoMarch 28, 2021 at 4:42 pm #1937977
This is overly complicated, if you actually consider how much their contract is worth etc it becomes a bit less complicated… You see transfer values or transfer fees correspond to how long said player contract is, it doesn´t drop down because the player himself is in bad form or hardly drops… Its equal to how much money is in football, equal to how much money football or the league is bringing in… Not based on fan projections…March 28, 2021 at 9:04 pm #1938052
Wow, now this is tough. Ok, disregarding age and contract seems fair, altohugh it won’t help us looking at how we might do if we sell one of them but ok here goes :
I have to say that im kinda uncomfortable with a good few of them, if not most. it’s tough to not take age into account. I tried not to but it felt wrong, in a way.
Anyway, I give Trent such a low valuation because he has been very very poor for most of the season (in my opinion). he’s improving though, so I wouldn’t complain if people wanted to give more. Kabak started awfully but improved a lot in the last 2 matches, he’s showing promise but.. we cant figure that in, hence only 25m GRRR. Robertson and hendo did alright but neither excelled this season. Not that it’s Hendo fault of course but I wouldnt want to sign him were he a CB. Thiago has had some good moments but overall, he has yet to settle. I’m definitely going to give him time but I don’t rate his input so far. Maybe 20m is harsh on him though, perhaps he deserves a bit more…
Salah is or is close to being the PL top scorer, I would have it at 125m minimum, were we allowed to consider the previous seasons golden boots etc but.. Hell, then he’d be more again, if we werent factoring in age, in that case but no age, no contract and only this season, Salah is a 100m player in my eyes. Mane has been pretty poor but has shown glimpses of that abnility that he has, so he’s not getting shafted. Firmino on the other hand, along with trent, has been in m yopinion, our poorest performers this season.
Gini hasnt been amazing but he’s had a lot of solid games. Jones would be valued higher had we been allowed ages but, he’s been good when played.March 28, 2021 at 9:09 pm #1938053
Bingo, Im sure he knows that it’s complicated, he’s just doing a kind of fantasy football style valuable. That’s my take on it anyway and I have obliged. Im not married to those figures but ya…March 28, 2021 at 9:44 pm #1938057
its not complicated, its only complicated if you wanna make up your own numbers instead of relying on their actual transfer value…
Like he is only off by 100 million for Trent, we got the most valued squad on the planet right now if we actually go by their transfer values instead of fan made fantasy…
If we talk about transfer values they correspond to the length of the contract, they correspond with game time, they correspond with expected goals or expected performance…
Do you know how I knew prices for players would start fetching 100 million way ahead of everyone here, when most of you guys were saying it was simple too much money…
Because the formula is there… The same formula that dictated the price for Alan Shearer back in the day when he got sold for 3.5 million is the same formula that dictated the price for Andy Carroll when we bought him for 35 million… Both clubs handed the same amount of % of their entire budget towards those two transfer…
One day we will be looking at 350 million for a similar prospect as those two players were when they made their move… It all depends on how much money the league or club is generating and according to the TV-deals being made its only a matter of time before a 350 million pound transfer will happen…March 29, 2021 at 12:59 am #1938080
I think you’re missing the point here Bingo. Yes, we are making up our own transfer values and he’s stated the restrictions. You don’t have to make up your own values here but I don’t get why you’re getting indignant about it.
As for your formula, there is no black-book for players. They are worth what teams are willing to pay for and also let them go. Contracts influence the transfer fee, they don’t set it.March 29, 2021 at 7:07 am #1938084
Looking at it, it seems he just wants to attribute some sort of ratings for player performances this season. I wouldn’t read too much into the valuations part. Disagree about Wijnaldum. #6 may not be his position but the reality is that he’s been a poor #6. He’s been hiding behind worse performances this season. Part of the reason that Mane and Robertson have been so poor this season has to do with Gini not making an outlet available in the #8 position like he’s supposed to when he’s played there. Robertson’s passing has been shit no doubt, but he isn’t making himself available in that space which also helps to draw opponents away from the wide positions. Mane also normally doesn’t have an option on the ball near the opposition box other than Salah, who at best, he looks reluctant to pass to. Milner might not have the legs anymore but you can see him trying to make that option available. Same when he’s a #6. Of late what I’ve also noticed is an unwillingness to commit to challenges too. Most overrated player in our team this season in my book. Also I don’t think Alisson has been particularly good either. Can’t blame him with the CBs changing in front of him every game but looks like he’s either playing with injury or he’s just not making the saves that he would normally pull out from the top drawer. Doesn’t look as comfortable with his feet either which leads me to believe that he has indeed been playing with injury. If I had to pick a best player this season right now, it would be between Fabinho and Salah and even then I still have a lot of issues with Salah’s overall play.March 29, 2021 at 2:05 pm #1938239
Very interesting points lads, I made that thread because if we go by squad value made by experts considering length of contract and age, Trent would be worth 45M I would guess and Robertson around the same figure. and Mane and Salah around 160M both and add Jota and Fabinho, Alisson we must have one of the most expensive squad in Europe but that is barely reflected in our standing in the PL.
Therefore the players aren’t putting performances corresponding to their value. Mak and Razor your valuation based on the season alone would explain why we lost six matches on the bounce. And it’s not based on individual performances alone Razor, you are right there are certain dynamics also in play between players like Salah and Mane.
Firmino putting performances of a 20M striker would explain why we are struggling for goals.March 29, 2021 at 3:25 pm #1938272
Transfermarkt has Trent at 100 million, Mane at 100 million and Salah at 110 million… Next to them we have Van Dijk and Robbo at 70 million, then Alison at 65 million and Fabinho at 60… Bobby is at 55 million and then we count down the rest…
I wouldn´t worry too much about players dropping in value because of form, their transfer fees don´t drop that much because of one season and it is to be expected that the whole team suffers when their whole central defense gets wiped out…
That´s just about 20 points gone automatically and it has more to do with certain players not being available than form, the extra work is just too much for the rest of the lads without them…
Like the crazy thing is that we were so desperate that fans are thinking that Philips or Davies are the future of the club…
I´ll give you one thing this summer, the market will be nuts and really hard to predict, cause clubs are desperate for cash all over Europe… Just about every senior player in the world is available right now because not many clubs are in a good position like ours financially…March 29, 2021 at 3:42 pm #1938277
Transfermarkt has Alaba at £49.5 and Messi £72mil.
Both available for free in approx 3 months.April 24, 2021 at 10:31 pm #1946945
“I wouldn´t worry too much about players dropping in value because of form, their transfer fees don´t drop that much because of one season”
They do though. An entire season in post prime years, is very significant. I’m not saying we can’t swing 100m for Mane but there was a time when we could have gotten 200m for him or Salah. Now? Not a chance.
I think it’s time we sold Mane. I have to say though, it does pain me a little to see the lad so low on confidence. However, he’ll get that back after a move, most likely. We can never say what is going on in the background but I think there’s enough information in all the games we’ve watched these lads play to know that there is SOMETHING . Whatever it is, it’s not been resolved all season, so it’s time to say goodbye to those who have minds elsewhere, or whop for whatever reason no longer believe in this project.
Just hope it isn’t too many. We can replace maybe 3 but any more than that and we’re looking at spending next season adapting and learning once again.April 25, 2021 at 10:32 am #1947002
and Mane and Salah around 160M both
Mane is 29 years and rapidly declining. YOu will be lucky to get £40m for him.
Salah is also 29 years and he misses more than he scores. Salah missing more big chances than any other player since signing for Liverpool. His overall performances is of championship standard. He is a maximum of £50m player now.
Roberto ‘no goals’ Firminho is 30 year-old and hes a £10m striker.April 25, 2021 at 11:03 am #1947013
Salah still more EPL goals this season than the overrated trio of Martial, Greenwood and Martial. Fernades goalscoring record looks good only because of the amount of penalties Penchester gets.April 25, 2021 at 11:04 am #1947014
Don’t Feed the Trolls!!April 25, 2021 at 11:13 am #1947015
My apologies Ginger. Was always taught from young to feed stray animals.April 25, 2021 at 4:56 pm #1947172
We were taught to stay away from the rabid ones though.April 25, 2021 at 5:51 pm #1947192
I used to volunteer at a dog shelter. Usually the rabid ones were put down. Tragic, but you can see why based on this thread.April 25, 2021 at 8:34 pm #1947224
Mak… Salah topped his transfer value after signing a new contract that keeps him at anfield until 2023… his value is not dropping because of form but because we are getting nearer the end of his contract… same goes for Mane and Bobby
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