July 15, 2022 at 10:57 am #2114126
I’m in UK right now, so it must be Razor. Even though it’s only the second game of pre-season, I would like to hear his honest thoughts on this game.
As for 4231, if we do play it, I can also see Carvalho in the No.10 position in this formation.July 15, 2022 at 11:04 am #2114127
Sure Van Dijk has been a disaster for us, he’s scored less than Andy Carroll!July 15, 2022 at 12:51 pm #2114176
Well, a decent starting 11 for the CPJuly 15, 2022 at 1:23 pm #2114186
Adrian, Milner, Konate, Matip, Tsimikas, Henderson, Jones, Elliott, Oxlade-Chamberlain, Diaz, Firmino
Subs: Mrozek, Davies, Fabinho, Van Dijk, Thiago, Keita, Salah, Robertson, Nunez, Carvalho, Bajcetic, Williams, Phillips, Clark, Mabaya, Clarkson, Alexander-Arnold, van den Berg, Norris, Morton, ChambersJuly 15, 2022 at 2:39 pm #2114218
Ox off injured now. Gomez too injured.July 15, 2022 at 2:40 pm #2114221
ya Songman, I really think that if we go this route, we’re going to see the development of Carvalho and the resurrection of Firmino. I hope so anyway, it could all be blind loyalty of course. I’ve been a bit critical of Firmino the last 2 seasons, as he’s dropped off a cliff but I always rated him and was p[leased when he was one of the players that took to Klopp the quickest. It’s easy to forget that kind of thing. It was himself and Lallana that stepped up a notch.
Salah was so unblucky not to score the other day against Utd BTW. That far post shot off the woodwork… the bit of play in the build up also… he’s further ahead than the others in terms of fitness because you knwo the fucker is training every day that he was on holiday.
worth every fucking penny. 350k/week? we’re getting the deal of a lifetime.
Songman, if it isnt Razor, is there maybe another on these forums who is from Singapore? Maybe I just read it wrong but I swear, someone said they were going to the Palace game, or that’s how I understood it anyway. I hope I’m right so, like you, I can hear their opinion of the entire affair.
I think we’ll see players get 45 mins.July 15, 2022 at 2:42 pm #2114222
2-0, Mo. Horrendous keeping helped tho.July 15, 2022 at 3:53 pm #2114265
Keeping this thread ‘pre season games only’ and responding to Mak on the other thread yes, Keita was frustrating again. A little more composure and he’d be way better. It often seems (to me) that he doesn’t often have a plan or ‘see the field’ enough.July 15, 2022 at 4:04 pm #2114270
Hope Núñez can break his Liverpool duck next week against Leipzig, and deliver a win, so that he can go into the season full of confidence.July 15, 2022 at 8:05 pm #2114318July 16, 2022 at 12:57 am #2114346
Rob,t hat’s a very polite way of saying that he’s brainless.
I will get shit for this but I’m sorry, he’s just so over-rated. Was him being in the final team there a sign that he might actually start a lot of games for us in the PL? Why don’t we just sign an actual headless chicken and save ourselves the insane wages that we’re throwing at him?July 16, 2022 at 12:58 am #2114347
I’m not trying to start an argument, I knwo that people will get all offended but I’m just sick to death of seeing him play for us. He’s so useless and (almost) nobody seems to be aware of it.July 16, 2022 at 2:06 am #2114349
Could not believe what im seeing when i saw that people finally get to see how overrated Keita has been since joining. But strangely enough, after 2 pre season games, he actually played okish and was not the worse player on the pitch.
In fact, i want to point out some things that im sure many on here will strongly disagree. Im not convinced with 2 players in particular and they are Jones and Nunez.
The former has been playing with the first team for like 3 years and still have no idea what is he good at. He does not have the physicality to be a defensive player nor the composure/speed to be a winger/box-to-box. This leaves us with only one role and that is the CAM. Even at that position, he often takes more touches than required to do a simple job and is not impactful whenever called upon. With the introduction of Elliot and Carvalho who can do similar and sometimes even more at different positions. I really dont see where he can fit into the team this season.
As for the new signing Nunez, it is easy even lazy TBH to use the ‘new club, new environment’ excuse to rationlise his performance. He was absolutely shocking! Could not even hold up the ball, sloppy on and off the ball, bad positioning (running parallel with the ball carrier, not attacking the ball when in the penalty box) and looking nervous whenever he touched the ball. He even have to pull out from training because of fucking blisters. He is not an academy player and this is not his first senior appearance. Blisters are inevitable and i would expect a pro player like him to already know how to avoid them. I can understand he might have fitness issues as no one club has the same training regime. But seriously, it is like a lifeguard afraid of being tanned, it just makes no sense. Nevertheless, i will still continue to hope he settle down quick and eventually come good for the club. He has alot room for improvement to reach that level.July 16, 2022 at 3:21 am #2114350
Still too early dont you think whether to be convinced or not with nunez?
Judge him after say 10-15 games.July 16, 2022 at 5:07 am #2114351
Great atmosphere but our newer national stadium doesn’t quite have the same atmosphere as the old one. Thought it went a bit flat after the 3rd set of players came on. Still a great performance and enjoyed the game thoroughly. Never lost control at all.
From where I was sitting, it was easy to see the full shape of the team. Few things. Firmino looked out of place. Diaz constantly looked up for a runner but him and Ox weren’t keeping up with the play. Pretty obvious that Jones was sitting back to allow Elliott to get forward but thought he did OK with supporting Diaz down that side and was much improved with his positional discipline. Opinion hasn’t changed much on Elliott after that game. Capable of brilliance on the ball and a lot of industry but even with Milner and Henderson guiding him, his positioning is still not good. Same reason he didn’t get much of a look-in after returning from injury IMO.
2nd half, thought they were trying too hard to play in Darwin. Good to see him putting himself about. Stragely they didn’t really play towards Carvalho that much and Palace were kicking him all over the pitch. Thought VDB did well and looked composed. Wasn’t expecting Davies to be as good as he was. Palace couldn’t get at us at all and it was very one sided. Says enough about the job the midfield was doing.
3rd team thought Big Nat had a good game. Mabaya looks like he might have something about him if he can develop a better end product and defensive awareness. Bajcetic still looks raw but there might be another Fabinho in there. Didn’t think the other youngsters showed enough.July 16, 2022 at 7:10 am #2114353
“Could not believe what im seeing when i saw that people finally get to see how overrated Keita has been”
I’ve been saying it for ages lad 😛 There is no “finally” about it.
I agree with you regards Jones but given how he had that eye injury and I think a few other normal football related ones last season… Im giving him time.
Nunez is brand new and didnt light up the Portuguesse league on his first try either. I get the sense so far that he’s trying to force it and does look to e out of sorts… it’s so so ,SO early though. We cant judge him yet.
You saw him against us? He destroyed our defence. He can destroy others.
“it is easy even lazy TBH to use the ‘new club, new environment’ excuse”
No it isnt. This is just outright incorrect.
” Still a great performance and enjoyed the game thoroughly.”
Razor, I knew someone had said they were going to the game! glad you had a good time lad. I dont think i need to ask if you got your moneys worth. I have to say, even though I’m in Ireland, I’ve never been to Anfield, never seen Liverpool live. I once went to a legends game in my home town, that’s about it. We beat Bolton. I still remember some little knacker sarcastically shouting “J J , you’re my hero” as he took a throw in or corner… cracked me up. That’s as close to the Liverpool team that I’ve gotten, so when you lads on the other side of the world get to see them, I guess it doesnt have to be a classic… you just wanna see your heroes. man, I should make the effort some day.
“2nd half, thought they were trying too hard to play in Darwin.”
We really were and the passing was often over-cooked as a result. Just play him in naturally, no need to get him on the scoresheet. Maybe Klopp has told everyone that getting him a goal will help settle him and there’s merit to it but he looked really frustrated at times. You can sense the urgency… these high price tags just multiple the mental side of the game.
Nate Philips is a quality player. I really rate him. I honestly can’t believe that we havent been bombarded with offers.July 16, 2022 at 7:29 am #2114357
There are just some things that you can see from a player from the first minute on the pitch to know if he is the right fit. Unfortunately there are just so many wrongs that I do not even know if it is because of nerves or something else. We will likely have a problem here if noone can figure out what type of a striker he is supposed to be.
As a advanced striker, he is not very good at it since he seemed to have some issue with his anticipation even when he is playing at Benfica (Look at the amount of offsides he has). He prefers to run behind defender than to create spaces for others.
As a false 9, well you need to have composure and good ball control to hold up plays and play wingers off which he has not shown so far.
As a target man, you need to be aggressive, cynical and “attack” the ball which I have not seen him do that. Quite surprised to already see him falter couple of times in front of goal. Better hope it is just nerves playing in a new team because things will only get worse when you have to play away from home. Those away game fans will not be as kind to him as those you see in friendlies.
Like I said before, Im not writing him off yet and it is still early days but based on what I have seen him either playing against us and for us, he have alot of catching up to do and will have to put in extra minutes in training and not slack off just because he has some blisters.July 16, 2022 at 7:53 am #2114361
It is nerves and it might take more time than you’re willing to give him. It’s grand to be judging his early performances but to have question marks over him already… I think that you have been influenced by the insane cost and the fact that he is kinda replacing Mane, although Diaz actually did that some months ago.
Nunez won’t play as a false Nine, so it’s not worth mentioning. Klopp has already said that he’ll play as an outright 9, or words to that effect. As Razor spoke about, there is an over-urgency to setting him up, so he’s not getting a very good quality of ball.
I will admit that you’re correct regards his off the ball play but that was improving markedly, through his last season with Benfica. We didn’t buy this guy to be a targetman and even with his need to improve his runs and such, he’ll be a good striker for us.
I say this knowing full well that he scored several offside goals against us. It was the rest of his play that truly convinced me that there is a great player in there. I thought this before I even knew that we were interested, so it isn’t bias. He will take time but he’ll come right and you’re going to love this player.July 16, 2022 at 8:29 am #2114370
Gary it’s actually refreshing to read someone have reasonable concerns about our big signing. As everyone knows he is different to what we have had before and whether it’s a change or formation or a more subtle change of style we will need to adapt. How long and how successfully are unknown hence why I disagreed with people on here who insisted he would be great without any mention how he will be utilsed. I hope he will, I know Klopp is fantastic and will not of bought him without a plan for him. Its going to be interesting and hopefully exciting to see how the team develops using him.
Whilst the longer Nunez goes on without scoring he will get more and more focus but remember his teammates are learning a new system too. We will no longer have Bobby or Mane drop into midfield creating a link and moving the defenders about or pressing the DM. I think that even if we largely keep the 433 the more advanced midfielder will have an even greater emphasis on going forward filling that space that the false 9 would usually occupy.July 16, 2022 at 9:50 am #2114390
Nunez shouldn’t be anywhere near playing a match with us, this is totally counterproductive. He should be on the training pitch with Klopp, forming an understanding with salah, diaz, thiago and Taa. Remember Fab and Robbo barely got a game until they were well coached in Klopps system.
But the club want to sell jerseys, so hes wheeled out.
Anyone judging Nunez on the minutes in friendlies hes played when having only met his team mates last week is having a laugh.
Having concerns about where he fits in or if he will work out are fair enough, but he could have a stinker of a first season and still go on to be one of the greats. Not fair to make any judgement on him until at least January.
And thankfully it’s not like mane was Suarez, we have multiple goal threats, salah, jota, Firmino, diaz.
Who cares how many meaningless friendlies pass without Nunez scoring as long as he gets time to adapt. And who cares how many competitive games pass without him scoring as long as the team plays well. We are not a one player team and let’s be honest keeping salah and landing one of the most exciting number 9s on the scene is more than we could have hoped for.
The champions league final highlighted that we needed to be able to switch things up a bit up front. Nunez is more an upgrade on Origi than a mane replacement. Nunez is competing with Firmino and Jota not Diaz, who was manes replacement and has clearly been a good choice.
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