Pre-Season Talk

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    Just a general chat for the Pre-Season games (Australia and beyond)

    We defeated the mighty Perth Glory 2-0 over the weekend and today we face Leeds. Hoping that our rivals will play a more expansive game and not sit deep for 90 minutes like Perth did.

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    hookeddevil
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    Great finish from Rashford for Utd’s 2nd against Leeds

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    Yep was a great feint by him!

    James looks dangerous when he has the ball but his decision making still needs to improve.

    Mata looks completely lost in there – even against a Championship team he struggles… can’t believe we extended his contract!

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    hookeddevil
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    To be fair to Mata, he’s been man marked in the first half. No idea why Biesla chose to do that.

    Bailly is a mystery, every time he goes near the ball I’m not sure if he’s going to be brilliant, a disaster or injure himself!

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    killyboye
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    I don’t think Mata expects much game time to be honest but I think Ole knows we need senior pros on the training ground. If Matic goes and Jones/Smalling then that’s three senior players, not necessarily the best, but senior who are gone too. That leaves the youngsters under the influence of Pogba and Lingard, imagine! O the horror!

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    @hookeddevil – Mata is going to be marked in the Premier League… if he can’t handle it against Leeds then we can’t expect him to handle the Premier League marking.

    @killyboye – whilst leaving the kids under the tutelage of Pogba and Lingard is frightening, it shouldn’t be the main reason to keep Mata around. If anything offer him a significant pay-cut and a player/coach role and bring in a replacement.

    Cheers

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    Alfie07
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    Decent performance so far, another new team introduced at half time. Now 3-0.

    Good for Greenwood to get on the score sheet. Ole seems to have a plan to play him quite a bit in the coming season.

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    libanski
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    i think i can see now why Ole is keen on fitness, the pressing from the boys is top quality but still pressing like that with these defence is a nightmare, we really need a strong CB who is mature and a first team player, Lindelof and Bailly can not be partners, instead they should be fighting for one spot.

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    theMartial Art
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    Some positives from this game, but don’t think the team is good enough for the season. Do some clear outs and snooze ins before the season begins. We still look hopelessly shaky at the back. Any decent side would have scored a hat full. Jones and Smalling were all over the place and it looked last ditch far too often. You don’t see that type of defending with half decent sides. Break the bank for decent defenders for God’s sake.

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    killyboye
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    @sympathy, while I agree it’s not a good reason to keep Mata around it’s the most probable reason for keeping him as he didn’t play that much last year either.

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    In 1995 we sold Hughes, Kanchelskis and Ince. We didn’t replace them with big mony signings but instead brought through Scholes, Beckham, Neville x2 and Butt. The rest is history.

    With the way things are at the minute I would have no problem with us selling Lukaku, Matic, Young, Sanchez, Rojo, etc. and just blood the youngsters. Gomes, Garner, Greenwood, Chong, Tuanzebe, Wan-Bissaka, James, Rashford, Martial, McTominay.

    Maybe a bit of experience at the back in Maguire would be good, plus if Pogba can lead in the middle of the park. Big risk though with Pogba. Hes just as likely to make all the kids instagram sensations than hard working footballers. Pogba is no Keane or Cantona.

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    theMartial Art
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    @manthistle – Good points. I don’t mind if we sell Lukaku and give a chance to Mason. Hopefully Gomes, Garner and Chong replace Mata, Sanchez and Matic in the coming years. The reason why Ole is going for mostly British talents is to establish a continuous team spirit both in club and national level. Fergie used that strategy as well.

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    Here’s to hoping that the youngsters can replace the older players and achieve what is expected of them. Liking the look of Greenwood, Tuanzebe and Garner so far… Chong and Gomes need to show a little bit more.

    Think Wan-Bissaka will be a great signing and am quite confident that James will come good too.

    Still need a solid CB, a ball-winning CM and a top class RW however if we are to challenge.

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    roygbiv
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    Manthistle, the difference between now and then is that in ‘95 had Bruce, Pallister, Irwin, Schmeichel, Keane and Cantona around. We have a couple of 12 year old Instagrammers as “senior pros”

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    happyhurling
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    I thought Bielsa was the best manager around?

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    Mike2005
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    Shows how good Ole is.

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    Mike2005
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    I’ve got to say it’s been refreshing listening to Ole in pre-season. He’s definitely got a lot of Fergie in him, and that can only be a good thing. The focus on youth, fitness and attitude is great to see.

    Dan James and AWB look like good signings, and whilst it’s too early to say they’ll be a success there seems to be a good blend of talent and attitude there. Being British also removes a lot of the issues around adapting to lifestyle or having their heads turned by their childhood dream club abroad.

    Mason Greenwood also looks like he could slot right into the squad, very calm finisher, good technique with both feet, I can see him getting goals for us this year.

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    hatters
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    Seeing as there seems to be zero activity going on in on the transfer front I guess we can at least make some comment about the pre-season as it develops.

    As always, we can’t really read into any of the results or the performances of individual players except the new signings and the academy players. What is apparent however, is that Ole is clearly looking to player a fast counter attacking game with full backs overlapping for width. We also are “hunting in packs” when pressing which I like to see.

    Wan Bissaka looks a gem of a signing, aggressive tackler, fast, physical, and also a great one on one defender – for me, barring a disaster we finally have that RB spot sorted out. Daniel James on the other hand looks a bit rough around the edges but his immense speed and stamina is clear to see, he’s also a got a great deal of close control and is ambidextrous so I am happy for us to have signed him as a squad player – he will be a thorn in most defenders’ side.

    As for our young players, I see big potential in Greenwood and Tuanzebe – if I was Ole I would keep them in the first team squad for some games in the EFL and Europa League. As for Gomes, Chong, and Garner – I think there might be players in there but they need loan moves. Pereira for me is a strange one – he’s not that young anymore; this coming season he needs to break through into being a first team regular or he must be shipped off – I don’t understand why we signed him on a 5 year contract but none of our contract work makes any sense anyway.

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    MacGuffin
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    I have the feeling Ole intends to be just like Fergie in almost every way, tactics, attitude, player management and even press conferences.

    There are many press snippets that tell of the small things he does like Fergie, he’s first in the office, he chat’s to all staff from cleaning lady upwards and tries to make a happy camp. He may not have the hair-dryer trait but it wouldn’t surprise me if he did kick a boot flying. He certainly had no problems calling out terrible team displays and talking of how it made him ashamed.

    But the trait he has which Fergie didn’t have is he knows he doesn’t know it all and is not afraid to ask for advice.

    Gary Neville once said something that struck me and was a major reason for my support for Moyes. He said the manager doesn’t change the club, the club changes the manager. In Ole’s case he already has the DNA but the club can hopefully give him the experience and skills he needs.

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    steveosnakeeye
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    if he had a red nose it would be better 😉

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