Project Big Picture!

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  • #1883023

    nine nine nine
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    Reportedly driven by Manchester United and Liverpool if successful this could be the biggest changes to Club football in England since the PL was instigated.

    Here’s a summary below, as reported by the Telegraph:

    £250 million immediately to the EFL to compensate its clubs for lost matchday revenue, deducted from future television revenue earnings and financed by a loan taken out by the Premier League
    Special status for the nine longest serving clubs – and the vote of only six of those “long-term shareholders” required to make major changes, including amending rules and regulations, agreeing contracts, removal of the chief executive, and a wide-ranging veto including on club ownership
    Premier League to go to 18 clubs from 20
    £100 million one-off gift to the FA to cover its coronavirus losses, the non-league game, the women’s game, the grassroots
    8.5 per cent of annual net Premier League revenue to go on operating costs and “good causes” including the FA
    From the remainder, 25 per cent of all combined Premier League and Football League revenues to go to the EFL clubs
    Six per cent of Premier League gross revenues to pay for stadium improvements across the top four divisions, calculated at £100 per seat
    New rules for the distribution of Premier League television income, overseas and domestic, including proposals that base one portion on performance over three years in the league
    The abolition of the League Cup and the Community Shield
    24 clubs each in the Championship, League One and League Two reducing the professional game overall from 92 clubs to 90
    A women’s professional league independent of the Premier League or the FA
    Two sides automatically relegated from the Premier League every season and the top two Championship teams promoted. The 16th place Premier League club in a play-off tournament with the Championship’s third, fourth and fifth placed teams.
    Financial fair play regulations in line with Uefa, and full access for Premier League executive to club accounts
    A fan charter including capping of away tickets at £20, away travel subsidised, a focus on a return to safe standing, a minimum away allocation of eight per cent capacity
    Later Premier League start in August to give greater scope for pre-season friendlies, and requirement for all clubs to compete once every five years in a summer Premier League tournament
    Huge changes to loan system allowing clubs to have 15 players out on loan domestically at any one time and up to four at a single club in England

    #1883054

    nine nine nine
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    PL reaction to Project Big Picture.

    The Premier League has criticised reported plans for a radical restructuring of English football, describing a number of the individual proposals involved as having a potentially “damaging” impact on the game.

    On Sunday morning, The Telegraph explosively claimed that top-flight giants Manchester United and Liverpool were the driving forces behind a proposed huge shake-up of English football known as ‘Project Big Picture’.

    As part of that ‘revitalisation’ plan, the Premier League would be reduced from 20 to 18 teams, with the Community Shield and League Cup scrapped.

    25 per cent of the Premier League’s annual revenue would also go to EFL clubs, with the power held by the top-flight’s so-called ‘Big Six’ teams greatly increased

    The proposals appear to have the backing of Rick Parry, with the Premier League expressing their disappointment at that “on-the-record support” from the EFL chairman.

    “We have seen media reports today regarding a plan to restructure football in this country,” the Premier League’s statement read.

    “English football is the world’s most watched, and has a vibrant, dynamic and competitive league structure that drives interest around the globe.

    “To maintain this position, it is important that we all work together.

    “Both the Premier League and The FA support a wide-ranging discussion on the future of the game, including its competition structures, calendar and overall financing particularly in light of the effects of COVID-19.

    “Football has many stakeholders, therefore this work should be carried out through the proper channels enabling all clubs and stakeholders the opportunity to contribute.

    “In the Premier League’s view, a number of the individual proposals in the plan published today could have a damaging impact on the whole game and we are disappointed to see that Rick Parry, Chair of the EFL, has given his on-the-record support.

    “The Premier League has been working in good faith with its clubs and the EFL to seek a resolution to the requirement for COVID-19 rescue funding.

    “This work will continue.”

    #1883141

    NotoriousBingo
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    It’s a good proposal, some of those ideas even seem outdated today…

    One thing the Premierleague needs is less games, it will do wonders for both the champions league and the international team…

    #1883162

    NotoriousBingo
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    Wenger also had some interesting ideas today… like being able to take a free kick instead of a throw in and a few more…

    Big changes to the offside ruling, like giving the attacking player all the benefits of the decision.

    Also allowing corners to go off the field as long as the ball ends up across the byline…

    #1883163
    Razor
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    Just seems like a carbon copy of how things are done in Germany. From the PL’s perspective, less games is less money which is probably why they’re dead set against it and that’s all they care about. The German league Cup in particular added no value and was scrapped. The constant need for sponsorship to keep the LC running says enough about the state of the competition.

    What you’re essentially looking at here is bigger clubs taking on the financial responsibility for smaller clubs at the expense of weaker PL sides, who already benefit from TV money that they earn because of the bigger sides. Right now, parachute payments in particular to relegated PL clubs are doing a huge disservice to rest of the EFL. Such an arrangement takes away this inequitable distribution of money.

    This shift of financial responsibility does away with the need for the LC to secure what’s arguably an unreliable source of income for smaller clubs who more often than not, won’t draw a team that could bring in a significant amount of matchday revenue.

    Doing away with the LC also allows the FA Cup to be spaced out over the course of the full season which helps significantly with fixture congestion, which has its own repercussions on the competitiveness of these competitions. Alternatively, the LC could consist of U23 teams from the top flight playing against lower division sides.

    On the one hand, essentially giving all the power to the top 6 sides to make major decisions would arguably lead to its own issues. On the other hand, the top 6 bring in more money than any of these other clubs, yet have to deal with decisions that don’t benefit them and their players because they were voted against.

    While I don’t agree with reducing the number of teams in the league, the increased number of international games as well have to be taken into account as well for player welfare. Another option could be increasing squad sizes from 25 to 30 (17 foreign 8 homegrown to 18 foreign 12 homegrown) to cope with the ridiculous and more frequent fixture congestion issues.

    Anyway this whole debacle is one big money grab whichever side comes out on top.

    #1883197

    Moos
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    Cannot understand why they voted against extra subs, it would benefit everyone when it comes to all these congested fixtures. Even weaker teams would benefit with fresh legs, the football population is too big more players need more opportunities. I would like a full 11 subs with 7 substitutions allowed.

    #1883225

    NotoriousBingo
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    I agree moor, it seems strange to go back to three subs… cause I would have imagined that a lot more young players would get subbed on if we had more subs, which could only improve the game!

    #1883226
    Razor
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    Apparently the belief was that 5 subs would be too beneficial to bigger teams who have more quality in depth. However, such a move would arguably benefit a smaller team more as they are less likely to rotate their teams on matchday and they can give more of their first teamers a rest. In contrast, bigger sides can rotate their squads on the matchday regardless and have fresher legs anyway.

    #1883270

    NOLU
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    An obsolete no from me.

    Premier League reduced to 18 clubs – No, that reduces the chances of so called smaller teams breaking into the Premiership. less games will also lead to less revenue.

    No EFL Cup or Community Shield – Understand the EFL cup, but the Community Shield is supposed to be for Charity so this certainly shows the contemp Liverpool have for the outside world.

    Special status for nine longest serving clubs – ‘Big Six’, Everton, West Ham, Southampton
    Only six of the nine longest-serving clubs need to vote for major change – What is the special status ? What happens if one of them is relegated ?

    £250m immediate compensation for EFL – If this was a good deal for the EFL they wouldn’t need a compensation payment. Says it all really

    Figure also represents coronavirus financial bail-out – Should be provided by the Government. They have received enough TAX from Football over the years. They should be treating football as they are other entertainment industries such as the arts. They have shut the stadiums, they need to support the clubs.

    Club who finishes 16th in Premier League to replace sixth-placed Championship club in EFL play-offs – So Premiership squad against a Championship Squad, doesn’t feel fair.

    Premier League to commit 25 per cent of future revenue to EFL – How long before that drops to 20%, 15%, 10% etc ?

    #1883556
    tom182
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    Getting really bored of this vendetta against the League Cup. It’s a short competition with no replays and no extra time. A good chance for fringe/youth players to prove themselves and always loads of goals. What is the problem exactly?

    #1883652

    NOLU
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    @tom182 Its because the financial rewards are not great – simply comes down to money as always

    #1883768

    NOLU
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    One more question – how do you decide who are the ‘big 6’ – Balance sheet? Trophies won? Crowd size? Recent League positions? If I was a Newcastle fan or a Leicester Fan I would be very interested. What if a Billionaire takes over Newcastle – does it become a ‘big 7’ ? and so on …..

    #1883817

    Moos
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    Aren’t the big 6 the clubs that consistently finish more in the top 6 than all other clubs? Which then also makes them higher grossing clubs amongst other values.

    #1883851

    NotoriousBingo
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    well the proposal has been rejected even though now all 20 clubs have agreed to make a new proposal…

    The worst part of this proposal is the six club rule, could a club lose its status if some other club knocks up more time in the top six? How is that supposed to work, would we have a established clubs ruling the league forever?

    The good part is connecting the lower leagues back with the Premier League, with more clubs getting a slice of the pie…

    #1883857

    nine nine nine
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    Unsurprisingly!

    “The Premier League have agreed an urgent strategy review involving all 20 clubs after Project Big Picture was rejected at a meeting on Wednesday.

    The vote ends any chance of the current proposals – which were being driven by leading figures at Manchester United and Liverpool with support from the English Football League chairman Rick Parry – from being implemented in their current guise, although they could still be used as a model to draw up a new framework that will revamp the English pyramid.

    The emergency meeting saw those Premier League clubs not included in the ‘Big Six’ voice their opposition to Project Big Picture, which would have seen a significant proportion of power afforded to United and Liverpool as well as Chelsea, Arsenal, Manchester City and Tottenham Hotspur.

    The other 14 clubs opposed Project Big Picture, while the ‘Big Six’ were not entirely on board with the plans, which had been forged in secret talks between Liverpool, United and Parry over the last three years. At the meeting there was some expression of upset with how Parry has gone about his actions this week, having gone on the record with his comments about Project Big Picture when the story originally broke on Sunday.

    With the Premier League following the Football Association in speaking out against Project Big Picture, the plans are essentially dead in the water.

    However, it’s understood that the Premier League stakeholders agreed in principle a financial bailout for the EFL, which would see funds go towards the clubs in League One and League Two. That still needs to be offered to the EFL, which could yet be rejected by the Championship.

    A Premier League statement read: “Premier League Shareholders today unanimously agreed to work together as a 20-club collective on a strategic plan for the future structures and financing of English football.

    “Premier League clubs also agreed that Project Big Picture will not be endorsed by the Premier League, any of its clubs or The FA.”

    #1884856
    tom182
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    £15 to watch a match at home, games being decided by someone messing around with a computer, players grovelling on their knees before kick off, 3pm kick offs all but extinct.

    Football is now a soap opera. maybe we need Project Small Picture?

    #1885606

    NOLU
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    @tom182 So true, I love watching football back of yesteryear. Football today has been just about money for a long time and now it’s getting political. Give the game back to the people.

    #1885607

    NOLU
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    I am sure as soon as the fans are back in the stadium the ridiculous dropping to the knee before Kick Off will soon stop

    #1885672

    NotoriousBingo
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    I am sure that the FA will allow the majority of clubs to go bankrupt before doing anything…

    #1885698

    Laughing Lenny
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    “I am sure as soon as the fans are back in the stadium the ridiculous dropping to the knee before Kick Off will soon stop”.

    I hope so NOLU. This dropping to the knee certainly needs the elbow. It’s an extremely insulting stupidity and every time it happens it makes my ring-piece contract. Professional football has currently lost the plot completely and without the live fans it’s nothing. Zilch!

    Watching 22 dodgy haircuts dropping to their knees every week makes me sick.
    Thank God for amateur football!
    Len.

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