Retrospective punishment for diving

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    mufc
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    Lanzini has been charged, are the FA not looking at the Jesus dive? Herrera got booked for his. Will they only target smaller clubs?

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    killyboye
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    Well Man City are the golden boys for now so they’ll probably escape punishment. To be fair many of the bigger clubs get away with things because their managers have a bigger podium from which to cry foul. The smaller clubs will always suffer, only if Pardew, Howe or Hughes were to make their complaints in the buff would the media at large and, then by extension, us take any notice.

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    I have to say I think Lanzini dived and the rule must be applied. But it annoys me that he could get a 2 match ban, when the scum that is Dele Alli gets just a yellow card for what easily have been a career ending tackle on De Bruyne. #thepunishmentnotfittingthecrime

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    Dandy
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    It’s an independent 3 man panel who watch the incidents separately, it then has to be a unanimous vote to penalise a diver. If there is any contact before the player starts going down it’s unlikely to have rescinded.

    Personally I believe a two match ban doesn’t go far enough.

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    reds2riches
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    dandy dandy, if the ref sees the dive, should he issue a redcard then?

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    killyboye
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    Where is the line between diving looking for a foul and diving looking to avoid a wild tackle? Who makes that decision?

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    the specialone
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    I expecting nothing less from he FA…I think someone mentioned on this forum and the worst rule of all time has to be that you get a two game ban if you’re found guilty of conning the ref and diving,yet if he showed you a yellow card in the match then no ban.Also,whatever the hell happened to yellow cards been shown for dissent.I still see players running like crazy towards ref to win decisions.No proection for the already incompetent refs.

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    I think @Devon_Hammer raises a fair point. Lanzini dived and should be punished. I don’t think anyone would argue with that. Dele Alli’s tackle was well worth a red – but because he was booked no further action can be taken. How can that be right?

    The stupid thing with retrospective action is that is doesn’t help the team that has been wronged. Stoke for example. If Lanzini hadn’t cheated and west ham hadn’t gone in at half time 1-0 up then who knows how the game would have turned out – instead Stoke are chasing the game and west ham are able to pick them off.
    More importantly its West hams next two opponents who will benefit if Lanzini is suspended – how is that fair to Stoke? How does that compensate Mark Hughes?
    Especially if west ham are playing a team rivaling Stoke for a league position next and they are now weakened – its a double insult to Stoke.

    I fully believe that TV evidence should be used there and then. A referee must make his decision as normal – and tell the 4th official. It then goes to video evidence. If not clear then it goes back to the referee’s first decision. If it is clear and it would have taken seconds in this instance then book Lanzini, give Stoke a free kick and move on.

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    liquidator
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    NOLU – I agree that retrospective action on the back of video technology does nothing to helped the “wronged” club. However, if it was accompanied by truly penal bans, such as five games, then it would really discourage players from doing it in the first place – the risk would be too high, and most PL squads are very competitive and therefore no one wants to risk being out the first team for such a lengthy period. Therefore very many clubs would not be “wronged” to begin with. Sadly, the FA would never have the courage to do it.

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    notnice
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    think it has to be done theres just too much cheating in football from all sides and even officials at times.

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    Devon Hammer
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    NOLU, absolutely spot on with regards to needing a video ref at games. Look at Everton/Swansea last night, in the 2nd half an Everton player got caught just outside the box, takes another step then tripped over his own foot inside the box and the ref awards a penalty. Replays showed the contact was clearly outside the box. The dinosaurs in charge of our game are too old and stubborn to bring this in. It is used in rugby, cricket, tennis so why not football?

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    Alfie07
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    I thought it was currently being trialled in football, with the view of bringing it in shortly.

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    Devon Hammer
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    Lanzini has been given a 2 match ban. Ok, I accept that but lets now make it a consistent feature for divers of all teams, not just the alleged smaller ones.

    #1572227

    mufc
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    Retrospective lubed bummings should be the punishment.

    #1572338

    Kingo
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    killboye…..”who makes that decision” as to whether it’s a dive to try to cheat an advantage, or an evasion of potential injury.
    Preferably someone who has at some stage of their life played football, rather than some pompous bureaucrat.

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    Dandy
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    An ex pro player, an ex pro referee and another that i can’t remember

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    Alfie07
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    It’s almost as if the FA have it all covered…

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    notnice
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    anyone see that dive last night-con artists deserve to be punished

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    Paxman
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    Have to agree with Liquidator, yes the retrospective punishment does not help the wronged club, but if it can go some way in stamping out the cheating then it has to be a good thing, but punishments should be consistent, if a ref books a player for diving then it should be in his report and a 2 match ban applied, or forward the evidence to the same panel, and if they agree it was a dive then ban applies.

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    City getting a bit of a rep, shame as it is tarnishing the great football they play.

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