Roman, Roman , wherefore art thou Roman?

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  • #1642472

    nine nine nine
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    Sounds like a smart move.

    #1643275

    palmeab
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    The answer to the question that is the title of this thread is…..not in London where, arguably, that is where he needs to be to address the multiple problem which beset our club at the moment – many of them of his own making. As if this were not bad enough the latest news to reach the water-fountain is that he has now withdrawn his application for an Investors Visa to the UK…probably the reason behind the decision to shelve stadium rebuilding plans. Since the political issues which are at the core of this situation – both political and financial – are unlikely to be resolved any time soon, it is safe to assume that the gathering gloom around Stamford Brifge is unlikely to be lifted tomorrow.

    Before one gets too carried away it needs to be said that we have no idea how difficult it is to run an enterprise like CFC from atelier Aviv or wherever Mr Abramovich has moored his answer to the Queen Elizabrth. Maybe you can run a business via conference call technology with appointed managers and a CEO running the show…..a bit like now some would say but look how that has turned out! I would put a few bob on the belief that our owner may already have pondered selling the club as being just too much hassle. With the origins of oligarch money and subsequent investments allegedly under investigation that won’t be easy, either. And all the time, ‘the enemy’ moves on relentlessly….tomorrow in 1st June in an already difficult close season complete with WC distractions. No coach, players looking elsewhere, essential team rebuilding not even started and the boss basically in exile. When Bort said an “utter mess” elsewhere it was an understatement!

    However, we are Chelsea! when was life easy for us? From one foot in the old Third Division to CL winners. As Rocky Graziano one said “somebody up there likes me”; that “somebody up there”, who I hope still likes us, has got his work cut out this time……..and time is running out!

    #1643297

    nine nine nine
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    Palms, I’m sure the two things are connected why would someone want to invest another £1 billion in the UK when the Government don’t even want to let him into the country.

    With the right people in place Chelsea perhaps with a DOF also in place can be run remotely from wherever Roman might be that is now the way of the world and Israeli Citizenship allows him 6 months in the country too albeit he can’t be seen to be working.

    We are in a bit of a mess at the moment but that’s nothing that a quick managerial appointment and a couple of exciting new players signed won’t fix and it appears Hazard’s dream of playing for Zidane at Real Madrid is now over which might be a small positive and the Managerial merry go round that Zidane’s exit creates might work in our favour you couldn’t even rule Hazard and Zidane bring united at Chelsea.

    The lack of any meaningful activity can’t go on too long though call me an optimist but I’m hoping there’s much more going on behind the scenes that any of us know about.Cheers 999

    #1646147

    nine nine nine
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    Jim Ratcliffe Britain’s richest man worth over 20 £ billion has allegedly had a bid to buy Chelsea FC rejected by Roman Abramovich as have other recent bidders as Abramovich has no intention to sell the club.

    #1646232
    aindro
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    it’s a good news, means that RA is still committed to the club even though UK had rejected his visa.

    #1646234

    palmeab
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    It is a moot point as to whether this is good news. The fact that Mr Abramovich is committed to Chelsea is not, and in my mind never was, the issue. If I had been responsible for investing a fortune in a venture I would be and would remain committed to that venture. The issue is……will Mr Abramovich be able to continue to fully support Chelsea FC in the light of recent and prevailing events? This would be difficult enough were matters at Stamford Bridge in pristine order (which surely most people recognise they are not) and this summer was supposed to be the time when those people hoped the penny would drop and something would be done. It is true that there had been scant evidence of that happening and, consequently, whether Mr Abramovich, committed or not, was in London, Tel Aviv or the Moon would seem to be of marginal importance. But those fans hoping to see a sea-change in the way we conduct our business and the performance of the team might be excused for pondering if now might be a good time to thank him for his great contribution to our club, to wish him well and look forward to a new phase in the fortunes and history of our club. Whether Mr Ratcliffe is the man to do this is conjecture…..but surely we had just as many concerns when an unknown Russian oligarch suddenly appeared in 2003?

    #1646241

    nine nine nine
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    Palms, whether now is the right time to thank Roman for his contribution to the club wish him well and look forward to a new phase in the fortunes of the club whilst it might be? that is only applicable if Roman is prepared to sell the club which having seemingly turned down a circa near £2 billion bid from Ratcliffe and fended off recent bids from other sources including China he seemingly is not.

    I guess the most important things to come out of all this is that the doom and gloom merchants in the media and amongst opposition fans predicting that this could be the end of Chelsea as a force that Roman wants out and nobody will be prepared to invest the kind of money it would take to wipe out the debt and pay Roman what he might want for the club has been proved wrong because not only does Roman not want out but there have been substantial bids for the club from various sources one from a UK business man considerably wealthier than even Roman.

    As you rightly say we’ve got to see some action shortly which sets us up for the new season and going forwards and given that Roman remains committed to the club and he’s an astute businessman you would hope he sees it that way too.

    Fingers crossed my friend. Cheers 999

    #1646423

    palmeab
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    999 – Thank you for your reply……but I would ask you to think again about your opening statement. Whether or not us fans (or business people further afield) ponder a change in ownership of the club, is NOT dependent on Mr Abramovich’s willingness to sell. In fact, I was fairly certain he was not prepared to sell even before the overture by Sir James Ratcliffe. It doesn’t alter the fact that some people (me included) were perfectly entitled to consider change of ownership as an option when reviewing in our minds the present state of the club, this for the reasons outlined in my post yesterday. At present we seem rudderless……an absent ‘captain’ in that situation is not good news with ‘rocks’ looming.

    Incidentally, I noticed that James Ratcliffe was made a knight in the Birthday Honours List; naming him Sir James (above) was not an attempt to give his offer gravitas!

    #1646429

    nine nine nine
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    Palms, “It doesn’t alter the fact that some people (me included) were perfectly entitled to consider change of ownership as an option when reviewing in our minds the present state of the club, this for the reasons outlined in my post yesterday. At present we seem rudderless……an absent ‘captain’ in that situation is not good news with ‘rocks’ loominIt doesn’t alter the fact that some people (me included) were perfectly entitled to consider change of ownership as an option when reviewing in our minds the present state of things”

    Palms, clearly my last post was a poor piece of communication because it absolutely was not my intention whatsoever to suggest otherwise I was merely observing the realities of the situation viz a via the likelyhood of any potential sale by Roman and the potential acquisition by a new owner.

    Personally although I’m not forgetting the geneousity of Roman and what he’s helped the club achieve I think the purchase of the club by someone like Ratcliffe probably would be beneficial to the club under the current circumstances albeit Ratcluffe would not be able to throw hundreds of millions of £’s at new players now as Roman was originally prepared and able to do because of FFP. Whereas again dealing personally I wouldn’t want us to be purchased by a Chinese consortium whose main aim might be to make a profit.

    On the positive side the negativity of Chelsea hitting the rocks driven by a combination of Roman losing interest in the club and nobody else being prepared to find the kind of money it would take to buy the club and clear the debt owed to Roman expressed by a combination of the media and opposition fans all seemingly gleeful in Chelsea’s potential demise seems misplaced given Roman’s refusal to consider a sale and the interest if someone like Ratcliffe both of which can only be good news imo.

    I agree with you re your concerns about our current inactivity which needs to end soon as per my last paragraph in my post above which I have duplicated below.

    “As you rightly say we’ve got to see some action shortly which sets us up for the new season and going forwards and given that Roman remains committed to the club and he’s an astute businessman you would hope he sees it that way too.”

    Call me a foolish old optimist but I think there’s a lot of paddling going on under the water that none of us are seeing which will hopefully bear fruit shortly simply because if Roman remains committed to the club as he seemingly does it won’t help him or the club if he just sits on his hands and does nothing but time will tell my old friend. Cheers 999

    #1646454

    palmeab
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    No, Mr Moderator……I do not consider you either “foolish” or overly “optimistic”. But I do think that, among many fans, you may be disinclined to see that recent events at Stamford Bridge are just as much part of the Abramovich legacy as the earlier years. Much could have (and should have) been done during recent years and the prospect of such action being taken with Mr Abramovich in his present predicament even less likely than before. Frankly, I am concerned…..but more for my club than any individual. I should be delighted if Mr Abramovich can sort this out – albeit, belatedly. I remain unconvinced but as the mantra of this site has it……” only time will tell”.

    #1646461

    nine nine nine
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    “But I do think that, among many fans, you may be disinclined to see that recent events at Stamford Bridge are just as much part of the Abramovich legacy as the earlier years. Much could have (and should have) been done during recent years and the prospect of such action being taken with Mr Abramovich in his present predicament even less likely than before.”

    “Personally although I’m not forgetting the generosity of Roman and what he’s helped the club achieve I think the purchase of the club by someone like Ratcliffe probably would be beneficial to the club under the current circumstances albeit Ratcliffe would not be able to throw hundreds of millions of £’s at new players now as Roman was originally prepared and able to do because of FFP.”

    Palms I thought that my paragraph above was pretty clear as to where I stood re a potential takeover by Ratcliffe and I am certainly not blind to recent events at the club under Abramovich which is why I said what I did above.

    I think we both share very similar views on all the major Chelsea issues and things are seemingly getting lost in translation as it were so I will leave it there now. I hope you’re keeping well take care.

    Cheers 999

    #1646552

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    I also read about the potential takeover offers and how they were snubbed

    So on the one hand I am pleased as it is good to see Roman provide his backing to the Club and his desire to continue with his journey with Chelsea. Yes, it may be more difficult if he cannot be in London but I am sure that he took that into consideration when he hade the decision not to sell

    However, there is also a tinge of regret as I read that Mr. Ratcliffe has a fortune that eclipses Roman’s by some substantial amount so I wonder would we be better off with a greater financial backing..? I understand that although Mr. Ratcliffe is a Chelsea season ticket holder he is actually a ManU fan so not sure how that stacks up but clearly he was prepared to spend a significant amount of money to buy the Club and therefore you have to assume he would want to see our recent legacy continue and improve, i.e. invest heavily in the Club

    At the end of the day all I am happy about is that those doom and gloom merchants who felt that Chelsea would flounder should Roman walk away can now see how the footballing community and the financially rich community view the opportunity to purchase Chelsea and we would not be left in the lurch. KTBFFH

    #1653155
    NIBlue
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    Just do one you cabbage munching twat.

    Sick and tired of the complete and utter contempt you treat the Chelsea supporters with.

    Pre season less than a week away and we have no news on our first team coach.

    Our better players are threatening to leave and we are being linked with players who are no better than most of our good youth players and certainly will not strengthen the squad.

    There will be many who will disagree with me, but if Willian goes to United …that number may reduce. ( yes Willian is linked with Barca but they will have to get rid of some non EU players as they are already over their limit!)

    Sell the club on to some one who cares!

    #1653168

    CFC1905
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    NIB – At the end of the day Roman is the owner and can do what he likes when he likes and how the supporters think or feel could easily be of no consequence to him

    However, I think he is passionate about Chelsea and does take note, to a degree, of the supporters. But clearly he does what he thinks is best for the Club as the appointment of Rafa proved

    There is a lot going on with regard to Roman and his ability to enter the country (which has gone remarksably quiet after the furore after he dropped the plans to build the ground) and it was widely reported that he turned down 2 offers to sell the Club

    Obviously you are frustrated about recent events as we all are but these are issues out of our hands and although the vast majority would agree this is far from ideal I think we all expect things to be resolved in the end

    Apart from Courtois, I have not read any player openly state they want to leave but they obviously want to know what is going to happen – as would any employee. I disagree that the players we are linked with are no better than our youth but that is down to individual thinking so not really a point that can be confirmed or agreed until such transfers actually happen and we see the proof on the pitch (we cannot buy everyone we are linked with)

    Hopefully for all of us this will be resolved before next Monday when the first team squad not in the WC return for pre season. KTBFFH

    #1653249

    nine nine nine
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    Like 1905 I believe that every decision Roman has taken he’s done so in the belief that it’s to the benefit of the club but of course he does sometimes get things wrong.

    Whilst I understand the current frustrations across the last 15 years imo Roman has been a force of good for the club and we’ve won things that I never thought that it was possible for us to ever win.

    I believe Roman still remains committed to the club and seemingly considering the alleged £2billion pound offer he recieved for the club and allegedly showed no interest in accepting he has no intention currently in selling the club.

    #1653291

    alanp
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    Agreed 1905, Roman has been a force for the good of the club even though he does make some fairly stupid mistakes (see current manager and DOF situation!). To those who wish Roman to sell I say beware what you wish for. There are many more bad owners looking for a quick buck than good alturistic ones out there.

    #1726942
    Romansdirtypants
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    Just thought I’d dig this thread up. The cat is away and the mice are at play. Romans enforced absence from the club, probably his inability to lay ground rules down at Cobham in person, is having a dramatic effect on the motivation of the team? Just a thought as outlined in the thread given six months time has elapsed since anyone last posted on it.

    Best solution for Chelsea is to actually sell up to a new owner.

    #1726945
    aindro
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    I really think that RA is still committed to the club. And he should be able to come to UK as he has now Israeli citizenship. rds: I think that players should be professional. Like everybody. We still have to work even though our boss is absent, right? Moreover players are paid very huge salary. I still think that RA is the best owner of CFC. Remember all the glory we’ve had. Beautiful !!

    #1726965

    nine nine nine
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    Not sure about that Roman we’ve had similar problems previously when Abramovich was here.

    I don’t think Roman has any intention to sell the Club tbh with you. I also think you have to be careful what you wish for there are many worse owners.

    #1727320

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    I actually see nothing to indicate that Roman has lost interest in the Club at all. In fact quite the opposite if the press are to be believed as it seems he is having “constructive” talks with Zidane about taking over as manager should Sarri be sacked. Whether spent wisely or not is a mute point but in the Summer a significant amount of money was also paid on new players

    Being at Cobham in person is something that Roman has done over the years but with technology the way it is today him not being physically in the UK does not mean he is not in constant communication with the board or the manager

    My feeling is that Roman’s love for the Club is as strong as ever and he has little or no intention of selling the club. KTBFFH

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