November 25, 2019 at 8:39 pm #1802221
Blacky – my Ole out thing was a bit tongue in cheek, shortly after I said that he was a tactical genius. You know, bit of a laugh.
I’m fully behind giving him time to implement a team in his style, to see if he can get them back performing like they were when he first came in. No flip flopping!November 25, 2019 at 8:42 pm #1802222
N1xer – Did Ole’s “game management” not get us 3 goals in 9 minutes against a team he don’t really concede goals though?
Do you think we need to sack yet another manager right now? What on earth makes anyone think Pochettino would do better with this team?November 25, 2019 at 10:01 pm #1802233
@Happy I dont think that was in game management at all. Williams scoring the first out of nowhere changed the game. Greenwood was already lined up to come on before we got the first anyway. But that is all just semantics mate. We’re a million miles away and i’ve seen nothing out of Ole other than chat. Ole has no track record in the game at any level of management. So if your asking if i would change him for Poch then the answer is yes, in a heartbeatNovember 26, 2019 at 6:45 am #1802257
@happy – That’s total bollocks mate, I also distinctly remember a recent post of yours backing my standpoint on Ole’s lack of suitability for this role when you said something like ‘I don’t often agree with Blacky, but on this occasion he is 100% spot on about Ole’. Was that “tongue in cheek” as well? I think not.
I’m paraphrasing of course because the option to look back at people’s previous post history seems to have disappeared from the site (luckily for you!). Fact is, if we had continued getting hammered on Sunday you wouldn’t have been saying that he should get another 18 months come Monday morning. As always your entire point of view can flip flop on the strength of one result or even just one goal. You have always been that way, simple as that.November 26, 2019 at 8:02 am #1802268
Updated TT prediction table:
Sympathy for the Devils…11 Points (13 Matches, 0.85 Average)
Redblood …7 Points (12 Matches, 0.58 Average)
Manthistle …6 Points (11 Matches, 0.55 Average)
Mike2005 …6 Points (11 Matches, 0.55 Average)
Libanski …6 Points (12 Matches, 0.5 Average)
Alfie …6 Points (13 Matches, 0.46 Average)
Homerjay …5 Points (12 Matches, 0.42 Average)
Happyhurling …5 Points (13 Matches, 0.38 Average)
MUFC…5 Points (13 Matches, 0.38 Average)
Hatters…4 Points (8 Matches, 0.5 Average)
Steveosnakeeye…4 Points (10 Matches, 0.4 Average)
Hookeddevil …4 Points (11 Matches, 0.36 Average)
Killyboye …4 Points (12 Matches, 0.33 Average)
CM…3 Points (1 Matches, 3 Average)
Moral…3 Points (7 Matches, 0.43 Average)
Hail Martial…3 Points (12 Matches, 0.25 Average)
Scholsey…2 Points (9 Matches, 0.22 Average)
Tom Lily…2 Points (11 Matches, 0.18 Average)
English Bob…1 Points (4 Matches, 0.25 Average)
The Martial Art…1 Points (4 Matches, 0.25 Average)
Ackb050…0 Points (1 Matches, 0 Average)
TheLegend…0 Points (3 Matches, 0 Average)
united_we_win …0 Points (2 Matches, 0 Average)November 26, 2019 at 8:03 am #1802269
Lots of points picked up, but no three pointers. Couple changed their predictions at the last minute:
Sympathy for the Devils..1
The Martial Art..No Prediction
Tom Lily..No Prediction
united_we_win ..No PredictionNovember 26, 2019 at 8:43 am #1802276
first point in while for me! cheers Alfie
whos up next?!November 26, 2019 at 9:08 am #1802284
N1xer, Poch has actually won nothing as a coach, how are you so confident that he would do better at Utd?
SAF broke through the Celtic/Rangers duopoly to be successful before taking over. Poch didn’t make it past Liverpool and City…November 26, 2019 at 9:49 am #1802297
@hooked – There are no guarantees of success with anyone mate, but the fact is that Poch was punching well above his weight at Spurs with their tight transfer and wages budget.
He got Spurs to the ECL final last season on the back of not signing one single new player during the previous summer transfer window.
If you look at the money both Klopp and Guardiola have had to spend since they took over I doubt even Ferguson himself would have been able to do much better than Poch has done with the same resources, and having Daniel Levy as his boss, simple as that.November 26, 2019 at 10:10 am #1802301
@blacky I think the difference with Maguire though, is that he was performing at a high level for Leicester and started the season well for us. Although he comes across as a tough Yorkshire captain, full of grit, he won’t be immune to having his confidence knocked after a few mistakes and results going against us. He’ll never be VVD (he looks like a best in a generation defender to me), but he can get back to being a very good player and leader for us.
I maintain that you can’t make every other post about how terrible every single player at the club is, and then say in the next post it’s Ole’s fault we’re not playing well.
Jurgen Klopp’s first club at Mainz he was relegated, couldn’t get them back up then quit, and I think he’s the most talented manager in world football.
Pep Guardiola, zero management experience at all before taking over Barcelona. Didn’t do that well in his first season at City with a squad brimming with talent that wasn’t his, or had the wrong attitude.
I won’t blindly support Ole for ever, but I do feel he needs to be given time to at least put a couple more pieces of the jigsaw together before we consider a change. If nothing else, the pathways he’s creating from the academy to the first team, and the culture changes he’s brought in will make it easier for the next guy.
There’s some similarities to the job Southgate’s had to do with England, not many people think that he’ll win us the world cup, but the connection to the fans is better, they don’t cave in as easily, and the squad is starting to overflow with top, academy talent from the U21’s. He’s the right manager at the right time for England, and I think that’s what Ole is for us.
@redblood, that might be a valid list of players that need to leave the club, but it’s another 12 players and we’d need replacements. Given we must have the worst recruitment record in the premier league, it makes it clear the size of the challenge still in front of Ole, it’s the hardest job in world football, and fans are calling for him to be out the door every time we have a bad performance.November 26, 2019 at 10:26 am #1802307
Blacky: Contrary to popular belief, Klopp’s net spend is actually less than Poch though he arrived more than 1 year later.November 26, 2019 at 10:34 am #1802310
kopite is that really true? poch is £110m net?November 26, 2019 at 10:39 am #1802312
Klopp is 67m estimated. This summer net profit of about 40m compared to Poch 70m net spend, this accounts for the turnaround.November 26, 2019 at 10:57 am #1802323
@mike – Oh yes I can mate, for the very, very simple reason that we are having our pants pulled down far too easily and regularly by shite teams with nothing but journeymen football players, and that’s down to everyone involved, especially the manager.
Fact is, even with this average squad we’ve got it is unacceptable that we have only won 4 games out of 13 given the weak opposition we have faced since the start of the season, and don’t forget this goes all the way back to last season as well. Nobody in their right mind could watch that game on Sunday and conclude that any progress is being made, it was horrifically bad.
Ole is out of his depth and has basically been given an opportunity to do a job he was never qualified to do in the first place. You cannot have a novice trainee managing Manchester United just because he is a nice guy and was a cult hero as a player.
As regards Maguire, you can make all the excuses you want for him, but you can’t polish a turd I’m afraid. The plain facts are that we look just as shaky at the back now as we did beforehand. He has already been partly or wholly culpable in several of the goals that we have conceded.
I knew before he signed that he had a tendency to be slow and oafish, but fuck me it’s far worse than I could ever have imagined. Leicester have absolutely smacked our arse 80 million times over!
The one thing I thought he would give us would be a dominant aerial force in both boxes and a few headed goals from set pieces, but he hasn’t even done that. We still look like conceding every time a decent set piece comes into our box, just like the easy headed goal Brighton got, and other than missing an absolute sitter at Newcastle I can’t think of any other occasion when he has even threatened the opposition goal from a set piece header, simple as that.November 26, 2019 at 11:02 am #1802326
@Hooked..Every manager who has won something in the game at one point had won nothing. That’s not relevant. It’s about looking at what they have achieved in the game with what has been available. Look at what Ole achieved at Cardiff Vs Poch at Southampton and Spurs. As Blacky says, there’s no comparison mate. We’d have a better chance of building something with Poch than Ole in my honest opinion. Plus I have a bad feeling the Glazers and Ed like Ole because he’s more likely to toe the line and do what is needed.November 26, 2019 at 11:06 am #1802331
@kopite – I’m referring to the period where Klopp spent very big in a short space of time on the likes of Allison, VVD, Salah etc etc. That was the catalyst to where you are now and would never have been sanctioned by Daniel Levy at Spurs. The only reason his net spend is lower (if that is right) is the big money you got in for Coutinho, simple as that.November 26, 2019 at 11:19 am #1802339
Mike-Would you not be happy if Williams plays LB for the rest of the season providing he doesnt get injured,which should lead to Young never to be seen again? Tuanzebe leading to Jones,Rojo and Bailly gone,bring Smalling back & sell Lindeflop? Greenwood & Garner making Mata & Andy free to leave? Actually pay Mata & Matic to leave. And would we really miss the lardy arse Shaw were he to emigrate to Jupiter tomorrow? PogbaInsagramvirus is a goner,only a matter of time,and Fred CANNOT be a squad player simply cos he cost £52m,so needs sold.I really struggle to see what the French sulking twat Martial brings to the team.
And as for Ole,nothing against him mate,loved Ole as a player for United,but managing the worlds biggest footballing club,far too big for him,mate.I fear.November 26, 2019 at 11:31 am #1802344
So why didn’t Poch take the chance and sell Kane to strengthen the squad overall. Look, I think Poch did brilliant job given the resources available but to say Klopp has had a lot to spend is just bloody ridiculous. FYI In the last 5 Seasons, we’ve spent 10 million more than Spurs.November 26, 2019 at 11:53 am #1802353
@blacky I won’t argue with that too much, as you are right the results are poor, but you can look at holes in the squad, the injuries we have and the sheer volume of first team players that needed to be jettisoned in the summer (and still need to be) and justify a few of them.
On Maguire, we’ll just need to wait and see. I maintain that Vidic was no quicker on the turn than Maguire, he was just protected better, by a world class partner, a solid back four and top class midfield pairing in front of him.
We’ve always been poor at set pieces, offensively and defensively. The reason for that is that so called top teams, put much more emphasis into attacking, counter-attacking and technique drills than they do into set pieces, whereas bottom half teams who maybe lack the quality to score from free play focus on it.
It’s also a case of a change in style, resulting in having a lack of height and physicality in the team now. For example, under Mourinho we often had Lukaku, Pogba, Smalling, Fellaini, Ibra in the box, the opposition has a lot of plans to make on corners/free-kicks and needs to allocate their dominant aerial players to mark one or two of them. At present we only really have Maguire who is a threat and it’s much easier to put two strong, tall guys next to him and just block him off.
I wouldn’t be against Pochettino coming in, I think he’s a real top quality coach, but I fear that if he came in now with this group of players, results would still be bad, pressure would slowly build and confidence would drop. Also, he wouldn’t be able to put together a team on a shoestring like he did at Tottenham, and he wouldn’t replace 12 players in one summer. It’s one thing taking a smaller club and building them up to be over achievers, it’s another thing taking a giant club that’s a monumental mess and getting them back to title challengers.
In an ideal world, we would tie up pre-agreements for the likes of Haaland, Sacho and McGinn in January, then even if there is a manager change it isn’t another excuse for a summer of dithering and missing targets.November 26, 2019 at 12:47 pm #1802372
That net spend shite the scousers always go on about is a load of bollocks coz it’s skewed with that stupid Coutinho transfer.
Worlds most expensive goal keeper, worlds most expensive defender and a fuck load on that midfield of Keita Fabinho. Not to mention what Salah and Mane cost.
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