November 27, 2019 at 10:13 am #1802611
November 27, 2019 at 10:15 am #1802613
I see someone telling half truths.November 27, 2019 at 10:18 am #1802617
@mufc Yes I do, but not just good players, professionals who train intensely and conduct themselves well. I think that’s why so many of Fergie’s players have been kept and players who are substandard have been awarded new contracts.
There was a mass exodus in the summer, but it wasn’t the worst 10 players at the club, it was the worst trainers, the bad influences and the players that wanted out. Those had to be the priority.
What we’re starting to see now, is a core of academy players coming through, training hard, respecting the club and playing for the shirt on the pitch.
The hardest step now is to compete with 9 or 10 other big clubs around Europe to try and bring in absolute top quality to fit around them.November 27, 2019 at 2:40 pm #1802762
Mike-A mass exodus was what Arsenal did during the summer,not what United did.November 27, 2019 at 3:45 pm #1802786
Fellani, Herrera, Valencia, Darmian, Lukaku with Smalling and Sanchez out on loan.
Iwobi, Koscielny, Ospina, Jenkinson, Welbeck, Ramsey, Cech and Lichtsteiner
Ignoring youth/reserve players or buy and loan backs (Saliba), these are the first team players moved on by Arsenal (8) and Utd (7) in 2019. I’d argue that under Mourinho 5 or 6 of the ones we’ve moved on, would be in the first team. How many of Arsenals were actual first team players under Emrey?
If Ole had cut Young, Mata, Jones, Rojo, etc we’d have literally no-one left. The current problems are more to do with a lack of numbers in rather than out. We’ve replaced 3 of them and urgently need to replace the others – a defender, 2 midfielders and a striker would make a massive difference to us. Another 5 out of the door and they’re going to be calling some of us up from on here to make up the numbers!November 27, 2019 at 4:32 pm #1802797
@hookeddevil. You are spot on about us having a lack of incoming transfers being our main issue at the minute.
Your point reinforces what I have been saying about us having to give Ole time to buy his own replacements for senior players before judging him (unless of course, our league position and performances become untenable).
NB: I am making an assumption that the reason for us failing to get players in was Woodward’s lack of decisiveness, slow action, and unwillingness to buy before selling in the market. Something that pissed a top class manager like Mourinho off and something that a weak manager like Ole accepts.November 27, 2019 at 4:45 pm #1802803
@hooked – If you look at the contributions that Young, Mata, Jones and Rojo make to the team it would not have been a downgrade to drag a few lads out of the Stretford End to replace them with, never mind giving the likes of Tuanzebe, Gomes, Garner and Brandon Williams etc the minutes that these guys have had, and done precisely fuck all with as per usual.
Jones should never have got a new contract in a million years, neither should Mata and in my opinion neither should lardy Luke. We would have been rid of all three of them by now if the right decisions had been made at the time, and we would not have exactly suffered as a result, simple as that.November 27, 2019 at 4:51 pm #1802808
Lichsteiner,Bielik and D.Suarez.November 27, 2019 at 5:01 pm #1802809
Hooked-We should sign and sell/let go players all the time.At the same time its much better to hand chances to lads like Williams,Greenwood,Garner,Chong,Taylor,than keep the geriatrics like Young,Mata,Matic,players that contribute absolutely nothing to the cause.This has been going on for far too long now,and we are drifing further away from where we want to be and have become a laughing stock.I wonder just how much the likes of Jones,Rojo,Bailly and Shaw cost the club every week,without contributing absolutely 0.November 27, 2019 at 10:23 pm #1802877
This could go round in circles, but I think Ole is making decent progress in clearing players out, he needs the support of the board to get numbers in.
Assuming he’s still in charge at the start of next season I’d be very surprised if much of the deadwood was still at the club, certainly if Ed does his job, they’ll be nowhere near the first team. Rolled out for the early rounds of the cup like Rojo this season but not much else unless there’s an injury crisisNovember 28, 2019 at 7:26 am #1802892
@hooked – I really don’t see how you can be so confident that Ole is you going to purge the club of “much of the deadwood” when he has already sanctioned new contracts for Jones, Lindelof, Young, Mata and Pereira.
That only indicates to me that he wouldn’t recognise a plank of deadwood if it smacked him right between the eyes!, simple as that.November 28, 2019 at 8:58 am #1802914
And how often does he play Jones, Young, Mata? They’re clearly being phased out, their game time is being reduced. They’ve also experienced winning trophies and know what it takes. They might not be capable players anymore but they can share experience and don’t cause a fuss while they’re being phased out.
Lindelof and Pereira’s contracts are pretty inconsequential in terms of our revenue. If the development of the first team makes these guys backups then who cares. I’d take that as the deadwood being cleared – not first team regulars.
Honestly, I’ve got no idea what he sees in Pereira but every manager has blindspots and as long as he’s not in the first team and is used as a squad player I don’t mind.November 28, 2019 at 9:25 am #1802928
@hooked – You don’t “phase” people out by giving them another 4 years plus a year’s option at the club mate (eg Jones), you fuck them right off out of the door as soon as you get the first chance to do so. We need players that have actually got a bit of future potential to be brought into the squad to replace them, either from the youth set up or through transfers.
All those players and more should be regarded as deadwood to be shown the door, not given big new deals. I’m merely pointing out that Ole doesn’t appear to be too hot at “clearing out the deadwood” from the club, which was your original point.
Now you appear to be suggesting that you have no problem with them all hanging around the club like a bad smell and hardly ever playing, surely that means that nothing is ever going to change fundamentally with regards to the culture in which they club is operating?
There have been far too many imposters on easy street stealing a very lucrative living at OT over the last decade, even during Ferguson’s time. It just has to stop now, or we will continue to be on the outside looking in, simple as that.November 28, 2019 at 9:54 am #1802946
November 28, 2019 at 9:26 pm #1803181
If we were to immediately cut 15 deadwood players out of the club we’d get relegated! There needs to be a process and it looks like we’re starting to move them on. If the manager chooses to keep a few in the squad then it’s his job on the line. If they are not regular starters, then players like Lindelof and Pereira (don’t rate him but Ole seems to) are adequate back-ups. Every squad has a few players who make you wonder how they got there!
Given the length of time contracts seem to take to organise I’m not sure Ole had much to do with Jones and Smalling’s. Ole has since moved Smalling on, which would further suggest he had little to do with it. From the number of chances Jones has been given this season it looks like he’s being binned soon as well. Mata hasn’t been seen much either since signing his deal. If these players are not poisoning the atmosphere and are helping the youngsters then I don’t really blame Ole for Ok’ing their deals.
I were Ole I wouldn’t have trusted Ed to replace that many players at once – better to keep some senior players around, we have a lot of games to play and I think it’s too much to expect that many youngsters to step in at once.November 30, 2019 at 4:28 pm #1803629
Got to agree with @hookeddevil we can’t sell all the deadwood in one summer and still expect results, honestly Ole drives me crazy sometimes but I feel we should just be patient..we are making progress, a very slow progress but hopefully by the end of the season we’ll look strongerNovember 30, 2019 at 4:30 pm #1803631
On the hand Mourinho is really enjoying himself..look at the squad he got and how he’s playing..just shows how shit our players areNovember 30, 2019 at 9:31 pm #1803733
@hooked – You are sounding more and more like a blind Ole apologist, get a grip pal. How the fuck is Jones going to be “binned soon” when he has now got the option of staying at OT until 2024 on 150k per week?!
Seriously mate, that’s proper bullshit on an industrial level, no wonder @libanski agrees with you, he’s always been completely fucking clueless as well.😂😂November 30, 2019 at 10:24 pm #1803740
Haha Blacky. But now libanski is admitting we have a deadwood,wtf is happening?!
The million pound question is why do all players(bar DeGea) getting worse when joining us? Why do we sign the wrong players? Why do we extend contracts to absolute bullshit players like Jones,Young and Mata?
Must be shitheads from bottom to top in Man Uniteds organisation.
I am amazed they got a job.December 1, 2019 at 9:21 am #1803760
Had a few too many sherberts yesterday, so apologies for my rather undiplomatic post last night!
I think it’s fair to say that nobody is suggesting cutting 15 players all in one go, but if you look at the ‘contributions’ made by a large group consisting of Young, Jones, Rojo, Bailly, Shaw, Matic, Mata, Pereira, Lingard and Pogba so far this season, and more generally throughout their time at the club then you can only conclude that if they were all to leave and replaced in the squad by some kids then we wouldn’t be fundamentally worse off, certainly not relegation fodder that’s for sure.
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