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    stev2bath1
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    People on here defending Emery then listing numerus faults on selection and then saying hands are tied due to finances or blaming Wenger. There are a million excuses on this page and not one real common thread on why its not working except Emery. I am not expecting him to turn us into Liverpool over night I expect him to get the best out of this team, Have a general plan then get players to make it work. I still cant see that plan apart from now he definitely wants to play 4 at the back. The three in the midfield changes every week apart from Xhaka. The other two players seem to change their roles every week. Willock was poor last night I think he is a natural box to box player. He is not cute or clever enough to play as a 10. Ceb is better but I also feel he drifts too deep and does not have enough of a goal threat. We need a rosciky, Fabregas or Maddison or Erikson or even Ozil in that role. The front three we have the quality its just picking the right players and making it work. I don’t believe Holding would have made any difference last night, Tierney might had added some better crosses although none of the forwards can head the ball and Bellerin looks well off the pace at the moment. There is no magic answer sitting in the dugout and I am not sure where he goes from here. I think Ozil is just sitting there waiting till he gets the boot and hope the new manager has a style that will accommodate him.

    #1793055

    muffler_1
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    No you dont get it these players are not that bad that they cant play football. Its one thing if they could not do the basics but they can as many of them are playing for their NT.

    Yes not the best out there in terms of players i agree.

    But to say that they cant play because they are all shit is making it very very easy.

    You think we will play better when they are all gone. For that to happen they also need a manager that gives them a direction. Emery does not do that now so why would that then change. It was the same with Wenger new players in same shitty play.

    Now Emery has new players in same shitty play. If there was one small improvement visible now i would agree with you. But please tell us all what improvement you have seen happen under Emery that you think is down to him?

    #1793059
    steveosnakeeye
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    starting our youngsters is fine IF

    they are played in the correct position in the correct system with the correct players around them and are trained for all of this and coached…changing the 11 every game, the system and not picking your best players will not help

    emery should be able to do more with what we have and show us the durection he wants us to go even if its going to take time to get there, i dont see this…time for a change at the end of the season

    #1793068
    the specialone
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    What improvement?Has the squad even really improved?Ask yourself that question.This club is a joke.They go on to sign a player like pepe then also meanwhile sell players like iwobi who they have entrusted for many years who has gained expereince and would perform better than any youngsters we have now.Wenger had a really good midfield when he was here.Cazorla,Ramsey,whilshere.These are players who had the capability to keep the ball.That’s why they got the best out of ozil.Right now our game isn’t posession based,that’s why Emery probably deems ozil as useless in this system.

    I would personally play ozil but only because he’s far more expereinced than a willock or nelson.Not that I think he’s going to be quality.The guy is unreliable.It’s been proved time and again.Even in a possession based system.and in this system?I completely understand why he’s being dropped.Against watford,which was his last game.We conceded 27 shots on at goal.Ever since then he’s been dropped and those stats have improved.Don’t kid yourself if you think it has nothing to do with him.Every player is responsible for pressing the opponents.It’s honestly laughable how fans are defending ozil though.The guy did nothing last season,or even half the season that wenger was here.People expecting him to be a saviour?LOL.

    #1793069
    The Oracle
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    Muffler, you’re still not getting it. It’s the attitude of apathy, greed and we don’t care that is the problem, Ozil is the epitome of this. He stated this week he will sit out his contract whether he plays or not. He is stopping us buying better players, he doesn’t care, he is toxic and that spreads. You state these players aren’t that bad they can’t play football!!! Ludicrous comment, yes they are, Sokratis, Kolasinac can’t defend and can’t pass the ball, Mustafi can’t do anything without messing it up and then there is the Jewel in the Crown, Xhaka he can’t play football, he can’t run, tackle, pass, mark, cover, create. In fact he can’t do anything properly, Pepe can’t take corners or free kicks and offers little. You want to get rid of Dick but excused Wenger for years, OK, lets sack Dick now and do what? Who do you think will come to us in this state? Let’s have some names.

    SteveOSnakeOil, time for a change you say. Let’s have some names

    ITS GOING TO TAKE 10 YEARS AND 3 MANAGERS TO PUT THIS MESS RIGHT

    #1793080
    AndyC
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    Well that was aspredictable as the sun rising and setting. What a load of crap yet again.

    Emery needs to be given time still, I’m all for him seeing out the remainder of the season. I’m really keen to see what he can do with a fully fit first team. Tierny, holding, bellerin etc please don’t tell me they are ready. If you knew first thing about acl injuries you will know they take time, not just because of ligaments but the supporting muscles etc. I digress.
    I’d say wait to see what happens in jan, hopefully some dead wood will get loved on again and a cb will be brought in.

    Emery needs to take some flack as it’s his team selections that keep letting us down. The insistence on xhaka playing is beyond me. He constantly lets the team down, it makes no sense why he gets picked if you want to play high pressure like pool he is the last player you’d have in your team!
    Luiz was poor again as well. Pepe should have scored but what I will say for him is his overall game is good, and getting better. I’d rather have player being there and missing than not being there at all.

    Got to remember emery hasn’t actually signed any of these players, the days of our manager buying players went the day wenger left (thankfully) he is a coach and if a coach doesn’t have his fully fit 1st team he will struggle especially when the options available are shit from the previous manager.
    That said he isn’t just contending with previous regime players but also the mindset that playing beautiful was enough when clearly it is not!

    Give him until end of season, if we still haven’t qualified for cl he MUST go. No better chance than now to get top 4 with Utd, Chelsea and spurs being jus as crap as us.

    If anyone is crying for ozil to come back you need a long hard look at what you’re really asking for. A player who doesn’t turn up, won’t turn, won’t run, won’t lead and he personifies everything that was wrong under wenger, lazy, uninterested, Teflon shoulder attitude. No thanks play Willock every game ahead of ozil.

    #1793084
    The Oracle
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    AndyC, at last some common sense. You can’t dump Emery after one season, he has to be given time whether he’s the right man or not, changing the manager every 12 months will not solve the situation just make it worse. Everyone on here needs to realise thanks to Wenger we aren’t a top club any more, we have gone backwards. A Klopp may have been able to put this right in time, Dick probably won’t but let’s give him more than 5 minutes shall we. The toxic lazy we don’t care players have to be shifted before there will be improvement. Well said Andy, at last some realism

    #1793095
    steveosnakeeye
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    as ive said previously if Emery goes it should be at the end of the season and ive stated my reasons, if HE shows improvement with coaching and tactics that we at least HAVE a direction then i may give him longer….my belief is that a better coash would get more from the current players we have available, not enough to get near city or pool but more than enough to compete

    i also would play a youngster every game instead of Ozil or Xhaka and my expectations would match

    as Andy says id rather have a team trying and failing than not trying and failing and at the experience should see them progress faster and settle in to a real team….

    #1793103
    The Oracle
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    We don’t actually need to play youngsters in every game.in 3-4-1-2 formation what’s wrong with this team:

    Leno
    Chambers, Sokratis, Holding;
    Bellerin, Torreria, Guendouzi, Tierney
    Ceballos,
    Lacazette, Abameyang

    Subs:

    Martinez
    Luiz
    Kolasinac
    Willock,
    Pepe
    Martinelli

    #1793105
    steveosnakeeye
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    thats actually not a bad shout, trouble is can Emery see that?….no

    #1793109
    The Oracle
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    Time will tell when they are all fit. We will still need a top quality CD fairly soon and wouldn’t Daniel James have been a better bet than Pepe

    #1793124
    steveosnakeeye
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    Daniel James has done “OK” in a crap team and is the worst diver since Ali and Young, so no….not for me, i do think Pepe will come good and then be very good, did we need him though? no

    #1793125
    steveosnakeeye
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    anyone else heard that if Emery doesnt mkae top 4 this season we have the option of cancelling his tenure?

    #1793131

    stev2bath1
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    A few people have said about 3 at the back but basically Emery does not like it. I would play it and I liked it when we did but I don’t want him playing that next week and then changing to 4 the week after as not having a settled formation is part of our problem.

    #1793133

    stev2bath1
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    Stevo I have heard about that clause or that there is a clause at the end of this year. I agree Ozil will go but its madness to not at least have him as an option whilst he is here. All the criticism regarding work rate and attitude is 100% but its also 100% about his creative stats and the fact we don’t have a player in the club better at creating chances so games like last night where we just need to break them down its a no brainer. Who would not have brought him on yesterday if he was on the bench ???

    #1793136
    steveosnakeeye
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    i think the 3 at the back is the best with wing backs, we need a DM that is told to be just that and no more then let the fron players and wing backs do their thing

    Stev, can see what you are saying but i think if we had played a different team and tactics he wouldnt have been needed and if he had come on and nothing like the rest he would have been crucified, he just needs to go and find a team to be at till retirement now….and we need to look forawrd not back

    #1793137

    OttawaGunner
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    My main issue with Emery is that he is way too risk averse. He sets the team up not to lose rather than to win games. This applies to home games, Spurs three defensive minded midfielders, as well as away games. He is essentially saying to the players that they are not good enough to go out and play an expansive style of football and dominate games. IMO the squad is good enough, he just doesn’t get the selection right. Xhaka will be the rock he perishes on as he exempifies the umimaginative pedestrian style that we now play. I have seen comments that we need Xhaka for “balance” – what does that even mean? Emery now has all the squad available and we have a run of testing but winnable games through November and early December leading up to the Man City game. If we fall out of contention during this period then we should be seriously looking at what other quality coaches are available in the new year. Last night the team selection was wrong and subbing Pepe was a mistake – that’s all down to the coach.

    #1793143
    the specialone
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    I have to say though,this basic idea that’s floating around that emery makes us play a boring brand of football.Also that he sets up his team to not play attacking football.I have my own critisicsms of emery but What absolute and utter nonsense.
    Ever since Emery has joined us,he’s followed the score the opposition tactic,as I’ve said many a time.That’s seen us been involed in probably the most entertaining games.He makes sure that even if We give the opposition shots at goal,we create some of our own.That’s made defense our liability but also attacking our strength.It’s about who takes the chances,atleast in most games anyway.The league table dosen’t lie,and he should be judged at the end of the season.

    Also,Where are all those people gone that said called him a coward for getting a draw rather than a win at old trafford?A ground at which we haven’t won in over a decade in the league.Klopp went there over the weekend,gave an even poorer performance and came back with a draw.Does that make him a coward too?Mind you the team that played us was actually stronger as it had pogba and more players available.
    What,are you guys going to try and twist this as well.So one manager is a coward and the other is not?different treatments for exactly the same type of result?I’m talking about only the Man united game here.Cue the excuses now…

    #1793147

    steve68
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    that was absolutely awful but i’m not suprised.first of all i want to
    give sheff utd huge credit.i’ve been banging on for years now how bad
    defending as become in the prem lge.that’s the best defensive performance
    i’ve seen in years and we wouldn’t have scored if we were still playing
    now.

    i’m normally one for giving players and managers 2 seasons but i really
    do think emery has lost the plot.he still doesn’t know his best team
    and his tactics are clueless at times.why the hell aint tierny starting??
    he’s already our best crosser of the ball and we needed some quality and
    certainly weren’t getting it from pepe,or our fullbacks who are awful
    going forward.making xhaka capt and still playing him in the teams set
    the alarm bells ringing for me.why the hell are we buying players only
    to bench them??

    why isn’t torreira ahead of xhaka in this team?that’s emery’s decision and
    i think,like most fans,it’s a bad one from him.why aint holding back in
    the team ahead of sokratis who’s a disaster waiting to happen.why hasn’t
    emery got this team up for a game we all knew what sheffield were going
    to do.it looks like to me we don’t practice free kicks or corners enough
    because they were shocking last night.i honestly don’t see any improvement
    in this team than wenger and i’m not one of those fans who think we must
    always go abroad to get the next manager.honestly think that brendan rodgers
    would get more out of this afc team than emery and you can’t ignore the
    huge improvement he’s made at leichester.i think they have every chance
    of top 4 right now.hope emery rethinks things but i think we’ve got another
    stubborn one.

    #1793172

    muffler_1
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    Oracle it does not matter how much you scream. Fact is that we have gone backwards under Emery if you compare it to Wengers last years. Fact is Emery managed a whole season with Sevilla without winning a single away game. So its not a coincidence we struggle away.

    We dont have the best team but not the worst in the league either but we do play like we are.

    Emery has no direction on how to play the game and that must be clear to everyone. I did not defend Wenger so its no point in using that excuse on me when you have an answer to my question.

    I asked what Emery has improved please us with that? Cant be that hard to come up with something.

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