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    The Oracle
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    Muffler, I know you don’t want to point the finger at your hero Wenger but we were dire away from home during his last 5 years often bottling it in games we should have won. We still have most of the same players. As I keep telling you nothing will improve until that toxic gang of losers who are sucking the financial life out of the club are gone. You can’t judge a manager after 1 season, let’s see what happens during the rest of this season. I’ve put a thread up if you want Emery gone who do you want instead, no one has a clue. Let’s repeat it IT WILL TAKE 10 YEARS AND 3 MANAGERS TO PUT THIS MESS RIGHT.

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    Im not defending Wenger at all and i know full well his last years was bad so stop deflecting on that. The whole point of a new manager was to improve or at the very least see some signs of us moving away from Wengers last years.

    I asked you what has improved on that under Emery?

    Its a simple question to answer that you cant seem to answer I wonder why. Repeat your mantra how many times you want. If you say it takes 3 managers why are you holding on to someone who has not improved us on anything? Or is that just to make your bet on this mantra end a bit early?

    1 year is not enough for the whole change to take place that we agree on. My problem is that there is no improvement at all under Emery. There should be signs of that although small ones. A small change does not take a year. This what we are seeing is Wengers last years in repeat.

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    the specialone
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    Muffler – Nope,The whole point of moving on from wenger was to see something different.And we have.We’ve actually seen more entertaining and exciting football.In the last few years of wenger being manager here,it was boring and predicatble football.Possesion based going absolutely nowhere.
    Improvement?Well for starters,Emery finished on more points in His first season than wenger’s last.He also got us higher in the europa league to the final.That’s factually an improvement.This season isn’t over yet,so let’s wait and watch.
    Let’s not even ignore the fact that A new manager has a much tougher job to do in terms of adaptibility,than one who has stayed here for two decades.
    As for the squads,there has been no improvement to what wenger had.If anything,wenger had a more balanced squad.Much,much,much more balanced that made him atleast instill his philosiphy and brand of football.

    Summary,it’s not the managers.It’s the owners and everything below between that and the managers.This club fools it’s fans in the transfer window,but in the end ends up giving a pretty incapable squad in terms of the targets they set.This club’s philosiphy is basically based on youth development and relying on youngsters.You’re never going to win trophies based on that,and you’d be lucky to qualify for the CL only which a handful of managers might be able to do that for us.end of.

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    If you call games games like against Sheffield, Watford and many more exiting i think we have a different opinion for sure. Yes a game here and there have been exiting but when the end product in the end is the same it does not really matter.

    Regarding predictabillity hmm press us high up and we loose ball quite quickly in 7 out 10 times. Happens every time a team does that against us. Id give you that we have a different lineup every game for sure that we have. However our problems are quite obvious anyway.

    Your improvements are not really setting a high standard. Getting to the final was fun the final itself which is what matters in the end that had Wenger written all over it.

    We agree on the owners, players for the most part and so on. We will not dominate with this team and I dont expect us to. But when we cant even do the bare minimum effort in games sorry for me a manager beeing here 20 or 1 year dont care. Just the same lame excuses as we had from many under Wenger.

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    Everybody is looking for excuses to defend mediocracy and that will not take us anywhere.

    You are all entitled to disagree but i have made my judgement on Emery already. If you think its to early so be it i dont.

    He might make top 4 but Im pretty sure we will have the Auba and Laca not signing debate very soon. Because Im pretty sure they dont feel improvement are coming fast enough and that should worry everyone pro Emery or not.

    #1793264

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    I’m with Muffler I see no visible improvement and had this been under Wenger he would have absolutely got berated and rightfully so. I heard whilst he was managing Sevilla he didn’t get a single away win in one season, is that true can somebody prove that fact wrong as I bloody well hope!

    #1793283

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    Nope not a single away win in his last season with Sevilla is true if you look at the league record. Not sure about cups though there he most likely won some games.

    #1793363
    The Oracle
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    ‘Had this been under Wenger he would have been berated’ bsm walk. We had 10 years of this under Wenger and 2 extra contracts, he had complete autonomy and still got away with it. As I keep saying Wenger left us in a mess and it will take 10 years and 3 managers. I don’t expect Dick to succeed if we are talking top4 or trophies he has little chance. I don’t know why this is so difficult to understand he (or whoever is in charge) has to get rid of Mustafi, Xhaka, Mkhitaryan and Ozil save £50m per year in wages and bring in his players who can play his way. Dump Dick now and it’s back to square one with a manager with different ideas, back to ten year repair job. Some people on here need a dose of reality we can’t attract a top manager and recruiting someone who has never managed here was always going to be a risk.

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    i watched the match on Monday with a growing sense of deja vu. I was not surprised at all but to have two shots on goal to a team that has just been promoted is unacceptable. We have been “babies” away from home for around ten years now and the club has a “fourth place is a trophy” mentality fostered by Wenger that will take years to be removed, but now we don’t even have that. In that respect, I agree with Oracle. But I do fundamentally disagree that Emery should last beyond this season if this ineptitude continues. Just because the dictator Wenger constantly wrote himself a new contract and the club hierarchy meekly allowed it, does not make it right that Emery should be allowed another season of utter mediocrity. The man is a Europa League/ Cup specialist. He cannot organise a team for a nine month campaign. He has had enough time to organise a defence and to shape a semblance of some sort of style.He should by now know his best XI, have some tactics and be able to try and change the game with his subs. Yet, he spends the time stroking his chin and looking bemused- No wonder the team mimics this confusion. As Arseblog said on Tuesday, how come Saka played in three different positions on Monday? Why was our talisman and best player, Auba shunted out to the left and then right wing during this sorry excuse of a display? Why is our only true defensive midfielder, Torreira, now ruined and disillusioned by Emery? Why do we have no courage, ideas, spirit, nous, creativity, defensive acumen, commitment or energy? You cannot tell me after 18 months with whatever he has at his disposal, Emery cannot instil some belief in his team? No, he cannot, because he does not have a clue about what he’s doing. I hope he goes at the end of the season- who comes in, I have no idea, but for God’s sake, even Harry Redknapp would have done better with this squad.

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    dont get me wrong Oracle, if he doesnt deliver CL football for next season then he has to go. Like at end of last season it was in our hands and we F’d it up. This season has even more chance with others being worse than us. So i give him until end of season, he will get at least 5 months with a fully fit first choice 11 thats more than enough time to see improvement and direction.

    My biggest gripe with Arsenal at the moment is our complete lack of style, im hoping that will be fixed with fit squad.

    As for Pepe, im one of the few that really likes him, he hasnt been as bad as people make out. he needs some goals but i wont pass judgement on him until end of the season possibly even next december. Its takes time for players to settle, Bergkamp & Herny are 2 greatest ever signings took minimum 6 months to settle and find their feet. As i said in previous post its better that he misses those chances than not be there for those chances at all.

    Steve – im not sure anyone can get more than we do out of these players. Our main issue is defence and DM. no one is going to get more from Sok, Luiz and Xhaka mainly because they are equally as bad as each other and at their age im not sure it possible at all. Like they say you cant teach an old dog new tricks.

    Am i convinced Emery is the man to take us forward to the heights we kind of expect – No is the simple answer.
    Was he a good option to help settle the boat after wenger – Yes. He was the safe option at the time. would i of preferred Rogers – yes.

    That said if they sacked him tomorrow and replaced him with Allegri i wouldnt moan at all.

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    steveosnakeeye
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    Andy for me i honestly think that with the right coaching, in the right tactics/style with a focus on defense this group of players could be vastly improved and once we stop having a soft underbelly we SHOULD have enough up front to win most games, i yearn for the old days of 1-0 to the arsenal at the moment! for any team let alone a so called top team to ignore its obvios defensive farilities is so bad its not funny

    perfect replacement post AW to steady the ship and start the changes i dont think he is the right fit after this year….

    #1793398
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    Jeff & AndyC, that’s my entire argument, Dick has to be given his contract, to sack him now would be a ridiculous decision. Jeff hits the nail on the head Wengers ‘4th is like winning a trophy’ ‘winning isn’t everything’ mentality is inbred into the club. This is why we will never improve whilst we have Mustafi, Xhaka, Mkhitaryan and Ozil at the club. Only one if these 4 actually play and we all know he shouldn’t be. Four of our six biggest earners are preventing progress, Wenger disease has permeated throughout the club with Ozil’s attitude the perfect example. To kick Dick out now is stupid but I don’t expect him to get us back to where some of you think we should be so he will no doubt be gone within the next 24months and then we will be scratching around for another manager but who would want to come if we are still stuck with those 4 mercenaries who are fleecing the club. They are being paid under false pretences and are nothing more than parasites

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    I have a suspicion that The Joker will play a stronger and better team tomorrow against a crap EL outfit as Emery will see a trophy as a CV strong point- not a lucky fourth place finish in the League. He will play Tierney, Holding, Torreira and Ceballos from the start and then say they’ve taken too much out of themselves for the visit of Palace and revert to the quite ridiculous team selection that he made on Monday night. I still have not forgiven the manager for losing our fourth place at the end of last season with the utterly stupid team he put out in the corresponding fixture last season- including Jenkinson, Mavroponos and Mustafi- again he underestimated Palace/ opted for the EL as his saviour. The man is beyond belief and does anyone understand what he says at Press Conferences- if I can’t, how does he expect the players to?

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    One last question to people defending the purchase of Pepe. If we needed a winger, and we didn’t, as two central defenders, right back back-up and Xhaka replacement were far more urgent, why not go for a proven Premiership player and a cheaper, although two years older, perhaps snapped up on transfer deadline day for c£50m, Zaha?

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    the specialone
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    Muffler – Cherry picking games to prove your argument isn’t really fair.The watford game was blatantly his worst performance as an Arsenal manager.If he performed every game like that,I’d want him sacked tommorrow.But it’s not that.You mention sheffield.People using that as an excuse for a poor perforamnce.Nonsense.We definitely didn’t deserve to lose.We were outdone by VAR that is nothing but a farce and should not exist.We created more chances than sheffield,better chances than them.I’m not saying it was the perfect performance,far from it but we created more chances than the couple of teams that have gone there and won.You can’t really put everything on Emery.

    Personally,i just feel he’s treated very unfairly.And there are no grounds to sack him just yet.If he keeps making the same mistakes,changing the team every game,picking the same midfield partnership then he’s just shooting himself in the foot.But let’s wait until the end of the season.
    Do I think he’s a brilliant manager,certainly not.But I do think he’s as good as the other names that “could” replace him.They might be better,slightly.But I guarantee you they won’t do a much BETTER job with this current squad.

    Also,I’m still waiting.where are all those people gone that have called Emery a coward for not winning at Old trafford.What?Klopp went and drew there as well.Does that make him a coward as well.Don’t hide behind the curtains now,own upto the fact that you guys love scapegoating Emery.

    #1793498
    The Oracle
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    Jeff the reason we didn’t go for Zaha was down to the money Palace wanted and the fact they wanted it paid up front. The only reason we signed Pepe is because Lille were happy to spread the cost over several years. The main issue here is we didn’t need a wide man, Saka is better than Pepe so why spend that sort of money when it could have gone on a quality central defender, something we actually need

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    I have just watched the Chelsea game and you will see from that there is no excuse for our shit performances and no style. They all look like they know what they are doing and have a plan. Fat Frank has a worst squad than us, and he is using the kids as we are but they look like a team. Frank has less experience, had less time with this team but still managed to make it work. If he can do it why can’t Emery. I am not saying Chelsea are a great team wnd this was one game but just watching them perform with a style and all the players on the same page I just want that and Emery should have that by now.

    #1793556
    AndyC
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    Steve i have to agree Chelsea looked good tonight and Frank, in fairness to them has them playing well together they are starting to look like a team with a style.
    I get why people want Emery out i do, nothing has really changed its like Wenger hasnt left this year. He was pulling rabbits out of hats last year when we went 21 games unbeaten and thought we really have seen the mentality change. Then we got to April and its fallen apart ever since. i do also see this as a stepping stone a mini post wenger project, the club would have seen whats gone on at other clubs and realised what we really need is stability for at least 2 seasons. Just look what changing managers willy nilly has done for UTD.
    Chelsea on the whole are used to managers coming and going so i would expect them to take to Frank and the changes alot easier than most, the youth team all the way up to seniors are used to this.

    JEFF – with regards to Pepe, oracle has hit nail on the nail on the head. Palace wanted 80 mil upfront!! thats madness he isnt worth more than 50 not with his record and how he couldnt handle being a big club in utd. Pepe represents value for money with his age, his record and the fact its 45 up front and the rest over 5 yrs. I’ve seen enough of him this season to see what he can do, he just needs those first few goals. He is getting into positions which is what you want first and foremost, he is creating alot and he is direct. Our style is slow and cumbersome which doesn’t suit his game at all.

    #1793563
    The Oracle
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    steve2bath1, if you think we have a better squad than Chelsea you are seriously deluded. Non of our defenders or midfield players who played against Sheffield Utd would get into their team. Whether Bellerin or Tierney would when fit is debatable but non of our midfield players are good enough. A combined 11 would contain far more Chelsea players, probably 7-4 at best

    #1793590

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    If we don’t make top four then we can probably kiss goodbye to Auba and Lacazette. We finally have some good football people on the management side who will be closely monitoring the team’s progress under Emery and most probably reaching the same conclusions as most fans – Emery is underperforming. If there is no tangible improvement this calendar year they should pull the plug. All our league wins have been by one goal on the back of spotty performances. No identifiable playing style, defence not sorted, poor team selections and tactics. The only positive is that he has given some of our youngsters playing opportunities.

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