Signings Like Guendozi is everything that's wrong with this club

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    the specialone
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    Ok,So let me get this straight.We sign a teenager touted to have great potential for just 8m.He comes to Arsenal,naive and inexperienced.Shows in two seasons that he has huge amounts of potential and we actually signed him for a bargain.However in those two seasons,Arsenal have also suffered because we’ve developed him at the cost of the club’s success.If you retrospect,Arsenal’s record without Guendozi is actually better than when he’s played.Again I ascertain that we’ve given a teenager so much first team football only to develop him.What’s the situation now?The ungrateful guy has too much of an ego/attitude to apologise for an unnecessary scuffle he’s had with one of the players, been sidelined for the most part since the restart and subsequently wants to move on.

    Alright…So we’ve wasted two years developing him for nothing.Remember,the club has suffered because we’ve been made to play a midfielder simply not “Ready” just to develop him hoping he would be the next big midfielder of the club.
    It’s widely reported that Barcelona want 50m+guendozi for Coutinho,and moreso that Atletico have already rejected a 25m + Guendozi bid for Partey.Both negotiations absolutely baffling.Like honestly. what are we valuing the kid at … 20-25m?Is that a joke.In today’s market a player of that potential is worth at least 50-60m.

    Arsenal are yet again showing we are clueless at valuing our players.We will never really do good business if we continue on like this.

    #1862015

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    Its the same people in charge so what do you expect? Them to change it aint happening we as a club are never going to move forward with the in charge the decline has just started.

    We cannot sell any of the ones we want to get rid of just take Ozil and Sokratis both over 30 and they know nobody will pay them what we are doing so they Will be happy just to just sit for a year.

    We are beeing locked by old deals and that will not change this team is mainly what we will have next season maybe even worse because I doubt Auba will stay If we dont get better players in and I seriously doubt we can.

    As for Guen you make it sound that we had a great team when he signed we did not so we did not sacrifice that much that was a given regardless

    #1862046

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    I actually think he was a good signing. £8 million was a bargain and he got into the team at the time on merit as we did not have better! Listen I think he is good but not great he is not worth £50 – £60 Million are you mad what is that based on ? Of course I would love it but in reality that’s not going to happen. He is no Jadon Sancho or Haaland and Haaland only went for £20 million. It has not worked out and if we have to sell him we will make a profit so cant see any negatives in this.

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    Stev – Unless you’ve been living under a rock regarding the transfer fees being thrown around for the past few,I think you ought to correctly value the players as per the how the CURRENT market is functioning.You’re right,guendozi is not good not great but importantly not great yet.He has huge potential,Even on the pitch you can see his dedication and just his commitment to impose himself as the conductor in midfield.The reason we’ve not seen that consistently is because he is still developing.Off the pitch sure he has the worst attitude for a teenager but clubs should mainly be concerned about what he can offer on the pitch.

    It’s simple.If I was a club I’d be willing to pay 40m for Guendozi.However,I’d be willing to pay upto 50m for Partey and 60m for Coutinho.So where exactly is the extra 25m?Why has a Guendozi+25m bid been rejected by Atletico.If Atletico clearly are valuing Partey as his release clause states at 45m pounds, then are we valuing Guendozi at only 20m?Is that a joke?Because that’s what it would insinuate.It’s a different issue if Atletico don’t want Guendozi and want only a deal that involved cash for Partey,but by submitting an offer as we have we are letting all the clubs know how much Guendozi is valued at.I.e 20m.Which is ridiculously low in today’s market.

    #1862560

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    Listen I hope I am totally wrong but I would not pay 40 million for him. As much as I would love that I think it’s unrealistic. I gave you examples of the market, Haaland and Sanchez from under my rock and you can’t give me one! I would take 20 or 25 million it’s still a profit and We can’t value him on potential as no one knows. In the future He is as likely to be worth 50 million as he is to be worth 5 and I do rate him.

    #1862617
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    Stev – Haaland went for 20m because he comes from an Austrian league.Very much unproven at the time.And anyways the fees in that part of the European continent are rather low.

    Need I remind you that,City have just signed Nathan Ake for 40m?Tyrone Mings went to villa for 27m.If Chelsea were to sell mason mount today it would surely not be for less than 50-60m.Ok that’s speculation but believe me they wouldn’t.All I’m saying is that the transfer fees that have been thrown around that is what we should ask for him.Or no deal.I mean Aston Villa are asking 80m for Grealish!!!Think about it.

    #1862727
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    TSO – its you that needs to think about it.

    Villa valuation is a result of them having billionaire owners who don’t want to sell and don’t need the money. they are saying ok we will sell but its 80 million. Grealish wont push for the move.

    Ake has years of prem experience under his belt, at a good age and is a decent footballer if anything 40 mil is cheap. yet Bournemouth have to sell players their books are a mess. also counts as a home grown player adding ££ to the final value.

    Guendouzi has had 5 maybe 6 good games at most the rest have been average or poor, he has loads of potential but doesn’t score and doesn’t assist. and its out there that he has an attitude problem, he is a risk to any suitor. 20-30 million is very good business for him.

    Stop playing football manager!

    #1862784

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    Haaland had If i remember a clause which stated the fee that low. Utd offered over that but he did not want to join them.

    As for the fees thrown around Guendozi is actually rated as one of the top 10 prospects in Europe and on the brink of the France NT so he would Im sure fetch a high fee from any other team than us.

    #1862885
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    Thank you Muffler,atleast some common sense previals on here.

    What I find it extremely hypocritical yet not that amusing is how many fans rated guendozi as the next world class midfielder at the club.Don’t try and deny it lads.
    I mean the season that he joined,At the least 95% of the fans were talking him up saying there’s no need to sign a midfielder etc.I still remember,i had started a thread on him simply stating facts that we perform better without him than with him and I got lambasted by most espescially the site moderator.

    Today,those same fans who rated him highly think we’d be lucky to get around 20-30m.Is that a joke?that is the minimum we should get.I suggest you go and look at every transfer that’s taken place in the past five years.Oh and also…goals and assists need necessarily not matter for him.Partey dosen’t have that many and yet he’s still rated highly.Guendozi is a CM,Xg stats matter for him.How many passes,tackles,recoveries etc and last I checked he was pretty good in that department.

    In short,regardless of how much we argue about the fees in simply partey is not worth 25m more than Guendozi.Actually I’d like to correct that,the only reason we could get partey for that much is because his release clause is as such!Otherwise,atletico would’ve demanded 10-15m more.

    Also,the idea should be to add to the squad.Not replace good players.What was the point of developing a young and inexpereinced guendozi when just about he could be ready to actually start we go ahead and sell him.What a shambles.

    #1862936

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    No one is saying we don’t rate him but just he is not worth 40 million. You are being unrealistic any way let’s leave it there !

    #1863159

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    You might not think so but everybody knows that we as a club undervalue our players.

    We have not sold that many at top dollar only bought for top dollar and thats not sustainable.

    20m or 30m is peanuts for him regardless of what we bought him for.

    Is Partey worth 45m not even close yet If we want him thats is the fee. If Barca offer 15m we probably accept it for Guen even though the value is higher as thats how we do business.

    Thats the point doing our business like that would mean we will just drop further and further away as a club. While some of you will expect us to splash the at the other end that is in my view unrealistic thinking that will get us nowhere.

    #1869898
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    So Arteta has said yesterday that every player gets a clean chit to redeem his mistakes and so will Guendozi.

    Whilst I think it was incredibly idiotic and even unacceptable for Guendozi to behave the way he did and not even apologise for his mistake…I love this mentality that every player gets another chance.

    Coming to Guendozi,I’m split on what we should do with him.I obviously think he has huge potential but I don’t know when he’ll be a ready made player.If he’s going to be the same player we’ve had for the past two season then no thanks.Our record without him is better than with him.He doesn’t fill me with confidence mainly because of his inexperience.But again, he is obviously well rated in Europe.

    I still think we should sell him for around 30m minimum and invest that in someone like Partey.You’d have to spend maybe 15-20m more but it would be a good deal except for the wages because it is beyond my understanding how a player like Partey would demand 200k.It almost makes me not want him,infact I don’t see how this is possible unless we ease our wage bill in other areas.

    #1869963

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    I think its merely down to overshadow his behaviour because he has only 2 years left so its decision time I doubt we will offer a new one. So I think its down to perception that he has done this.

    Nobody wants to buy a problematic player but we will see.

    #1870227

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    I agree Muff my guess is it’s marketing ploy as you said who wants to buy a player that is going to be trouble. Mind you we may have no choice but to play him as we seem a million miles of buying anyone in midfield at the moment.

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