Silly Season

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  • #1966488

    muffler_1
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    The White deal I dont get not sure who is replacing, spending 50m on a defender is mental.

    As for Saliba he is for sure going as Arteta thinks he is a waste of space. Why who knows he has not been given a single chance.

    Based on just these two I dont think Arteta or Edu has a single clue on anything regarding transfers.

    As for Ramsey its a no go for me good yes but injury prone as hell.

    #1966489

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    Did we just give Mavropanos to Stuttgart??

    Wtf is that deal about loan 500k, If permanent 3m next year and then a sell on.

    I dont see any signs that the muppets in charge can broker a good deal.

    #1966619

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    muffler- agreed about Ramsey. Two good seasons in 10 years with us. The rest of the time, injured and or average and very selfish. He plays consistently well whenever he is fit for Wales but with us was a glory hunter who always played for himself and not the team, e.g. Anderlecht at home in the CL which we drew after being 3-0 ahead.

    #1966643

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    Ramsey was great for us when fit and if we can get him on a good deal and he can stay fit then I would take it all day long. When fit he is better than what we have at the moment. Saying all that I don’t think a good deal is possible with his wages now and he does not stay fit !
    I heard 7 or 8 million after loan for Mav which I still think is cheap. Although I wont mind so much if there is a hefty sell on clause and buy back option. I don’t think anyone knows the details on the deal as yet?
    Still don’t think we need him and we have other priorities but just saw videos of White passing out from the back and his distribution and passing range does look very good. Even taking into account its highlights, some of his passing was excellent. If this is part of a number of signings or we can sell Saliba for 30 million then I can sort of live with it but if this where all or most our money goes then its just madness. We need a 50million midfielder and No 10 before we need another centre half! If he signs and we don’t start well Arteta wont even make Christmas!

    #1966659

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    Yes Stev, White’s forte is supposedly playing out from the back and his passing range is reputedly good as you said. But, other reports say he is not great in the air and is not a great physical presence. Arteta seems hell bent on continuing to play out from the back despite having a goalkeeper who can’t do it and a load of defenders who are club footed. So White is good at that and we spend £40m+ on him? Madness.With the treatment of Saliba, Martinelli and other youths like ESR who were ignored for Willian for much of the previous season, it’s obvious this arrogant coach can’t handle anyone below the age of 25. Wish he’d FO.

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    the specialone
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    Muffler – The mavrapanos deal is baffling to say the least.Don’t you remember when he just bust onto the scene.Under Wenger he started a few games and people said he was the next big thing.
    He’s not made it at Arsenal.But he’s been brilliant for stuttgart.He’s been voted as their best defender last season and amongst the best in the Bundesliga as he’s had a stellar season.So why aren’t we demanding atleast 20-25m for him.

    Tomori just was loaned to Milan from Chelsea,and now they’ve sold him for 27m.Yes he had a release clause but Chelsea were smart to insert one there.
    It’s bamboozling the way Arsenal conducts business.We are not one of the worst, we are the worst club in transfers.

    Judging by some of the price tags absolutely sub par players have on their head and how much we let go of our players, this club should honestly just shut shop.
    We should never go in for a youngster again.I mean selling players for 1/5th their price.Just madness.

    That’s why I will never understand the transfer of Ben White.Ok,it would make a tad bit sense if we thought he has huge potential and we sell him for a huge profit a few years down the line.But this club dosen’t even know how to turn a profit.Infact,we’re just getting worse at transfers by the year.
    Also 50m?For Ben White.Just utter madness.To think we could spend 10m and get someone like Maddison who we desperately need.This club has officially lost it.

    #1966803

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    Agree with you there TSO fact is we have only sold two players with profit that we have bought ourselfes. The Ox being one of them and the other is Giroud. Apart from those two none of the sales made has been made with profit.

    Thats how bad we are at both buying and selling.

    Why Arteta is so desperate for another defender I dont know we have more urgent problems.

    Arteta wont last long if he wastes money on the defence when the main issue we have is the midfield and being creative.

    #1966827

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    We *should* have gone past the need to sell players for a profit. What’s more worrying is the lousy recruitment of the last 3 years.

    I’d personally take Ramsey back in a heartbeat and I think he could do really well under Arteta.

    I don’t mind us signing White but only if we also buy at least a quality centre midfielder and attacking midfielder. Fair enough if Arteta sees him as the centre back he needs but I can’t see how this is the priority.

    #1966865

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    Aside from the fact that I agree with everyone on the “we are clueless at transfers” opinion one of the reasons that we cannot sell our players is simply down to the fact that from the outside looking in, the perception is that they are a) no good b) not wanted

    All of these are facts but we do absolutely nothing to dispel them. The media around all of the above is never dispelled from the club. You never see any statements about how we think Mavropanos is doing really well and would be an amazing talent in Ligue 1 or the Bundasliga so we are never bigging up their value. Nelson is another one that will end up leaving for another nominal fee. We are never going to recoup the £27m for Saliba. Guendouzi will go cheap as well. I fear Torriera will eventually go for nothing.

    #1967334

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    It does not seem that we have the dough for White though, we only want to pay 12m up front and it makes sense that we cant get deals over the line very fast with this approach.

    Also Saliba we allow to go to the olympics so he will again miss our pre season. So I highly doubt he is in Artetas plans

    #1967392
    the specialone
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    Agree with Max regarding the media perception about the players.It has been the biggest drawback of this club for the past two decades.It’s almost like other clubs just look down at us as inferiors and as a fan it’s just frustrating to see.We’ve done nothing to dispel that.

    I mean till today, it’s just laughable some of the price tags of Arsenal players as compared to literally everyone else on the market.
    Guendozi should go for 35-40m,Torreira isn’t a flop and he is just so demanded aboard.We should be able to recoup atleast the fee paid for him.Salliba,I mean what does this kid have to do.he’s literally joined another club and been voted in the team of the season.His actual transfer value should be more than Ben whites.Xhaka for 15m + add ons?Is that a joke.If Mourinho called him our most important player – Is that the price tag of our “most important player”.I don’t want xhaka to leave but if he wants to go it’s fine.But if we use that as a reason for being completely mugged off then the only losers here Are Arsenal.
    I mean I can go on and on and on.Any other top club in the PL or even a mid table club would make all of the above possible.

    We underbid for players, we undervalue our own players.It’s just pathetic to seee.Truth is Arsenal have never ever adapted to the modern transfer market.This club still lives in the 20th century.
    The worst part being the players we actually recruit we almost always overpay for them.Did Arsenal actually ask Brighton what exactly gives Ben White a 50m price tag?Why did Arsenal even bid that much,I would’ve started the bidding at 25m.How many other clubs are there in for him?None that I’m aware of.

    Oh and I feel we also undersold Emiliano Martinez.16m was a joke.Voted Aston Villa’s player of the season since.Made Argentina’s no 1 as well.He should’ve gone for 25-30m.

    #1967455

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    I agree TSO its like we are still in the 2003 years market, crazy. I thought Kroenke were business people how on earth can they appoint people who cant sell or buy.

    I think my sisters kid would do better he always skins me haha

    I have absolutely no faith in the people in charge so there is for me no process to trust. They dont know what they are doing.

    We gave Miki to Roma for free and now they want Xhaka on the cheap as well I mean at some point you just have to tell them to F*ck off or place serious bids.

    As for Villa making a second bid why did we not tell them to FO after the first one unless we are looking to sell it makes no sense.

    #1967509
    the specialone
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    And that Muffler,Is precisely the reason why Kronkes are the most culpable.Some people argue that they’re merely the owners, who take their dividends but allow whatever revenue earnt to be re-invested back into the club.Well,Football shouldn’t be like that anyway because it’s an entertainment before it’s a business.But even if you were to accept that, they haven’t a clue what they’ve done at this club.We’ve had no profit in the past couple of years, only debt.Our wage structure is ridiculous and dosen’t reflect on the end of the season results.I can go on and on but I think you get my point.

    If at the least – They appointed the right personal to run the club we’d be in a far better position.Instead,the people who they’ve put in charge have basically done the worst job possible.I mean you’d have to hire some people to assess whether anyone else could’ve done it more poorly.

    I will never forget We Sold Henry for a mere 16m.Arguably the best player in the world at the time,In his prime,Had more than 4 years remaining on his contract and we let him go for that much when it should’ve been close to 100m.
    What?You don’t want to hurt the players feelings by refusing to sell him?Arsenal are the only club in the world that will sell their players because they want to leave even if they’re not getting the right value.No other club allow it to happen, regardless of how much their player wants to leave.

    #1967596

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    Well questions also needs to be asked to Arteta as to why White is the main target when we have Saliba not being given one chance.

    We should have other priorities than a CB right now.

    So for me its a mess at the the top all the way down to Arteta when it comes transfers.

    If you have a shortage of funds then why go for White with 50m makes no sense.

    Maybe I just should not try and understand it.

    #1967665
    the specialone
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    Granit Xhaka delivering a masterclass against France.Leading them into the first quarters in a long long time.Voted as man of the match too.

    On social media,Even neutral accounts have started making fun of Arsenal for agreeing to sell him for a mere 20m.Read some of the comments,Many Arsenal fans calling us a banter club saying he should be sold for 40m in today’s market and judging by what some players are going for.

    He will be a big loss to this club.I feel sad that some fans haven’t been able to see the leadership he’s offered up until now and what he’s capable of.I pity the fans that still don’t rate him.Wanting him in the team dosen’t mean he has to be a starter.He has a lot to offer anyways.But by selling him would just be a ridiculous mistake because replacing him would just be extremely difficult.You could replace his quality, but I doubt you’d be able to replace his leadership.

    I love Arteta but if he agrees to actually let him go for only 20m then It will just add to some serious doubts about some of his decisions.Either they pay up or he stays.

    #1967704

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    Xhaka is not getting as exposed in the NT as he does in Arsenal thats the difference. In the NT he gets the help he needs that no one in Arsenal gives him.

    This last season was his best If you count from the game against Burnley where he was sent off.

    I agree in the selling of him as I think we can get better but not at such a low price because then we cant get anyone better.

    #1967804
    the specialone
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    Muff – I don’t think that’s the problem.Yes,Ideally he’s more suited to other leagues and yes he performs better when he has his midfield partner doing the dirty work.But I genuinely feel Arteta has come in and fixed his weaknesses.His positioning has imporoved to another level, that was not the case Under emery where he would get caught out of poistion very frequently and then put in reckless tackles.Under Arteta,i can’t remember the last time he has been lambasted by the usual fans.That’s because he’s rarely made a mistake.

    Anyways,My point is it will be difficult to replace this type of player.He’s a deep playmaker.He has his weaknesses but he has his strengths that don’t get enough appreciation.
    20m for him is a joke?This club is being completely mugged off.Even an average club would be able to recoup what we spent on him – 35m.If it was Chelsea,spuds or Liverpool or any of those top teams they’d probably get more than that.
    I personally don’t want him to leave, but if he wants to then only for the right price.

    #1967875

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    We can’t look at one game and say we should keep him or bin him. He was fantastic last night but as you guys have said he was very very good for us this season and was by far our best midfield player. I am not totally against selling him even though I would not. We need to add quality to midfield and I think he and party need competition. I would add to the midfield and keep him. If we do sell we should buy first and if we cant get a realistic first choice replacement then don’t sell.

    #1967932
    steveosnakeeye
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    One swallow does not a summer make
    Sell him

    #1968087

    stev2bath1
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    Steveo Its all very well sell him and then what ? Surely before we do we need to sign another first choice Midfielder. It would be crazy to do that and then have no replacement lined up! Also it must be someone who will or can be be 1st choice from day one.

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