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  • #1802014
    steveosnakeeye
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    Eery is now embarassing us as a club and needs to go ASAP, simple as that

    #1802023
    AndyC
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    Ottawa spot on, all this talk of our players not being good enough is too much. I’ve seen countless teams over the years produce well above their standard or ability simply because the right manager has got them playing with purpose, hunger and set them up right.
    Emery clearly isn’t up to the task and looks completely lost. Changing the team and tinkering with the personal, positions and formations wreaks of someone who hasn’t got a clue, he’s simply stumbling along looking for an answer.

    #1802036
    The Oracle
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    AndyC, face facts, the players aren’t good enough. They don’t care, the hierarchy don’t care, management doesn’t care. Arsenal’s identity which was built over 60 years ago was eroded by Wenger and Kroenke, now it’s been killed completely By a management structure that doesn’t work, an owner who seems to have forgotten he owns the club, his son who claims we will challenge but clearly hasn’t got a clue, and a manager who can’t speak English, doesn’t have a plan and doesn’t seem to know what he’s doing. It’s a disaster and won’t improve anytime soon. Remember 10 Years and Three Managers Minimum.

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    Yawn! Lets not repeat ourselves over and over again. Be good to add new views! Watched the game and we did have a good period in the game for about 10 mins in the 2nd half then they scored and then we were shite! First half we were out played at home by Southampton they had 10 shots on target against our 3 and 2nd half they should have scored another 3.
    I don’t care how shit we think our players are we do not have a worst squad or team than Southampton and we got outplayed at home! I just do not see a way back for Emery my mate was saying he hopes we lose at Norwich so he can get the sack! We should not need another shit result its just too late now! Even if we win and we play well its too late. I can’t think of any players who played well but not sure I can see objectively past the result. The players just seem totally despondent and the fact they never celebrated a last min goal just says it all in terms they are not happy! I would love Poch but really don’t care who we get we just need someone now to make a last ditch effort to get to top four because if we wait till Christmas then this season will be over!

    #1802069
    The Oracle
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    Steve2Bath1, the reason we were outplayed as we were against Wolves and other sides is attitude. When will people realise our players have a losers attitude, they don’t care, they are paid hundreds of thousands for failing, they won’t leave, no one wants them. The club is rotten from top to bottom.

    #1802111
    AndyC
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    Oracle, i share your veiw on only 3 or 4 of our players that literally couldnt be improved. However the other 95% of our players are better than most Leicester and also the chelsea team. There is stark difference between the 3 clubs though and thats the manager.
    He has inherited the worst team or a mid table by any stretch of the imagination.
    Lampard has gone his players believing in him and his way, its not tinkered with time and time again, its his vision the same goes for Brendan. You slated Leno as average, this is a goalkeeper who faces more shots than Gunn at Southampton, you can have oliver kahn in goal and he’d still concede as many. Leno is a quality keeper.
    There is no leadership and/or guidance from the manager down. I agree the players have given up now and again thats from the management. I dont think they have a losers mentality to the depth you do, some players are very much of the wenger mindset still but dont be fooled into thinking this cannot change. a manager can change all of that. Leicester with the same players and arguably less their best defender are 2nd in the league. Lamps with no money to spend less their best player for years has them sitting 3rd giving City a good game. Managers can change that mentality, they cant improve their natural ability but the mentality they can do. Just watch this space Maureen, he will have spurs winning a trophy by end of next season if not before.
    Yes, we have some more deadwood to move on Mustafi, Mikki, Xhaka, Sok, and couple others but thats just because they are not good enough ability wise.
    Th board has gone through dramtic changes over teh last 2/3 years, they’ve bought players not always the right choices but the window just gone was good recruitment. They didnt get everything we needed but what they did get we needed. LB, 2x CB one available now one next year, and a RW. The manager hasn’t got the best out of any of them and none of them became crap overnight or as soon as they signed for us.
    Emery is the clear problem, he has to go. We’ve missed teh boat with Maureen and Brendan. Im struggling to see who could come in now. Personally i think we need someone who either knows the prem in and out and what its like to manage a big club or we need someone who has played for the club and now managing. For me its one of Benitez (short term fix 1yr contract) or you go all in and get Veiera or Arteta ideally viera as i think most fans would allow him time. If you get Arteta and its starts to go wrong they will jump on him double quick time. other left wing appointments would be Gerrard, Nengalsman and or ten haag from Ajax. We really have F’d it up in not gettin Brendan and then Maureen.

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    AndyC as I said years ago we should have gone for Klopp, the usual suspects on here said Arsene is better, utter joke, we missed the ideal man there, Tuchel was another one we should have gone for. Your wrong about the players in my opinion although you make many good points. Bellerin has been going backwards for 3 years long before Dick arrived, Kolasinac was a poor signing as were Mustafi, Xhaka, Mkhitaryan and Ozil, all bottlers and losers. Dicks signings if they are his aren’t great, Sokratis, Luiz, Torreira aren’t good enough, Torreira’s demise could be down to Wenger. We desperately need defenders and have done for 10 years so why blow £72m on Pepe, we didn’t need him, and he’s very poor. How you can claim we have better players than Chelsea I don’t know and when I suggested when we played Leicester let’s all pick a combined team and see who has the mist players in it it was all LEICESTER, everyone of their defenders is better than ours and it’s the same in midfield. Nagelsmann is a good shout, so to ten Hag. Then there’s Rodgers, Eddie Howe or even Pochettino (although unlikely). A lot needs to change and it has to happen soon. Ten years and 3 managers looks optimistic

    #1802121
    The Oracle
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    Sorry I meant Torreira’s demise could well be down to Dick, not Wenger

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    Andy C, Great post and exactly what I have been saying. Regarding the manager options don’t want Maureen and never really thought Benetez was an option. I Like Gerrard although we would lose him as soon as the Liverpool job came up ! Rogers I would have taken and if you look at where Leicester where when he got them, he has done brilliantly, not spent loads and lost his best player, its a good example of what a good coach can do with underperforming or average players. Never convinced re Howe as not sure how he would work outside of his Bournemouth bubble. Re Viera and Arteta long term maybe but think they need to be given time and I don’t want to give up on top 4 yet. At this stage I would take anyone accept Maureen which thank goodness is no longer an option!

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    Ottawa – Emery has many points to be criticised for,but reverting back to a back 5 would not be one of them.Remember,the whole of last season he mostly played with this system.It worked well,except towards the end but I think that was down to lack of quality.This season,he started with a back 4.Now judging emery’s career this is what he’s mostly used.He started with it.We were neither getting the results and the performances were terrible.There was no control over the match.Judging that,I completely agree that emery has changed to a back 5.You have to know,you can’t change the formation every game against the opposition you’re playing.You stick to a plan and atleast play it out for a couple of months.I don’t blame emery for using a back 5 against southampton.This team is incapable of controlling the game,because it dosen’t have a good enough midfield.So he’s basically wanting to play the same way he did last season.
    I just think the defending is the worst I’ve ever seen,and I’m not exxagerating.For the first goal,chambers is sleeping.It’s just a ridiculous lack of awareness and concentration.For the second goal,I don’t even want to begin.This is not even schoolboy defending,it’s worse.

    I also would like to say,dropping pepe is just a pathetic decision.Yes,the guy needs to brush up on his finishing but you can’t spend 72m on a player to stick him on the bench.When he plays,we have a real threat going forward.He can run at defenders and we can put them on the backfoot.

    I think since nothing seems to be working,I’d like to just finally see Ozil behind Auba,laca and pepe.I know it lacks balance and I know we will lack control over matches but we are lacking it anyways.Emery knows he’s going to get sacked,he might as well try this.

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    TSo for the first goal 7 players are sleeping not just Chambers. Not defending Chambers but it has to be told in the correct way. The fact that 7 players did that tells you everything there is to know about our defence.

    As for playing 5 defenders against Southampton sorry but thats just the coward Emery beeing scared of loosing nothing else. This is his trademark now with us playing to not loose instead of trying to win.

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    Muffler, I think Chambers only culpability in the first goal is giving away the free kick. The rest of the defenders totally switched off and allowed Ings a free run on goal. This is something a well drilled and fully concentrated team does not allow to happen. Playing 5 defenders and sacrificing Pepe (or Martinelli?) at home against the second worst team in the league cannot be justified. Emery should be capable of drilling a back four with two sitting mids to deal with anything that Southampton has to offer.

    Good to see some others putting forward Gerrard as a possibility. I follow Scottish football and Gerrard and Gary McAllister have done a superb job in reviving Rangers. Listen to some of his interviews on YouTube, this man is a winne. I suspect however he will hold out for the Liverpool job. I agree with the sentiment that whoever comes after Emery should have first hand playing and/or coaching knowledge of the PL.

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    the specialone
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    I’m actually a huge fan of chambers,and you’re right there were more players to blame.A complete lack of awareness.It’s just pathetic.I was not upset that we conceded,but it’s so frustrating to see the manner in which we are.

    Ottawa – Gerrard is a good shout.I honestly wouldn’t mind him either.But I doubt,it would just be wierd.A one club man,could have moved to other clubs to win the PL but stayed at Liverpool his whole career.I doubt he’d manage Arsenal or any other PL club other than Liverpool.If it’s a possibility we should go in for him though.

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    AndyC
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    Oracle, a combined 11 of anyteam compared with arsenal at the moment would have only leno, lava and aubs in it. That conversation would be very different if we had a manager that actually knew what he was doing and was able to motivate them. It’s a mute debate.
    I personally like Pepe his confidence is destroyed that again sit with the manager. He banged those 2 free kicks and has since found himself on the bench every game – great management that.we didn’t need him but that’s not his fault. He is doing the right things just the final result isnt working for him. Again another manager would drive him on for more. We need a man manager and as as much as everyone hates him Maureen was the perfect person to install that winners belief and attitude. As I said just wait for see what spurs win in next 18 months, I’m very confident I will be proved right.
    As for players you e mention only ozil I disagree with. Don’t get me wrong he is lazy, he is weak but bobby pires was just the same difference is we had players around him that would die for him and the others, he had Adams keown paddy and bergkamp all around him. When ozil was a Real Madrid he was a wonderful player to watch, as he was for Germany again he had players around him that picked up his shortfall and in turn he’d produce week in week out for the strikers to score. The others xhaka, mustafi, mikki they’ve not had a single great game ever for arsenal. All need shipping out but I base that purely on their lack of ability.

    Another shout for manager would bielsa from Leeds, I really like him and would love to see what he could do with a step up in player quality.

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    The Oracle
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    I wouldn’t pick Leno over Schmeichel and I wouldn’t pick Abameyang and Lacazette over Vardy. Don’t forget Vardy turned us down over 2 years ago stating he thoughT LeIcester had a better future. Maguire wouldn’t even consider us. As for Ozil let’s not forget Real dumped him because in the Presidents own words he didn’t have the mentality and desire to succeed at Real. Bayern Munich wouldn’t touch him and pundits in Germany such as Beckenbauer, Rummenigge and Breitner said he hasn’t been worth his place in the national side for years before he was dumped. He’s a bottler and his attitude has rubbed off on too many players at Arsenal. Fringe players and youngsters at Arsenal see Ozil and his attitude even though he’s on £350,000 per week for contributing nothing and think why bother. Everything has to change at Arsenal and soon otherwise we will plummet down that league.

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