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  • #1575964

    N1xer
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    Just watched Mourinho’s press conference and it was complete bollix. He’s going all in about spending. He forgets that the club has spent as much as anyone in world football over the past 4 years and have one of the largest wage bills out there. Total agenda driven nonsense. Name one player signed by any premier league team that we couldn’t have realistically signed? He is using the mad spending of PSG in the summer as a smokescreen. Typical Mourinho. He needs to focus more on getting his shit in order and forget all the bullshit. How many players of the £300m he has spent have taken us forward?

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    MacGuffin
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    Jeez N1xer you posted that at 4am. Up late or early I wonder. If up late, its remarkably coherent compared to the drunken late night posts of some posters.

    And, even if spending not enough it doesn’t address the matter of how wisely he’s spent the money he did spend eg Mikki, Lindelof

    Correct me if wrong, but at the close of the summer window didn’t JM say something like .. when other clubs are spending in January we won’t need to. But I guess if some United fans can “change opinion” since summer, why can’t the United manager 🙂

    AND, I wonder how JM telling the media that United spending is not spending enough goes down with the Glazers. Fergie, supported the Glazers by talking about “no value” and how the club on principle would not pay silly money. Will JM get his wrist slapped by Ed I wonder. But I must applaud JM for telling it as he sees it, unlike Fergie.

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    MacGuffin
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    In fairness though, the problem is the many years of under-investment under the Glazers resulted in a situation where we needed to buy virtually an entire new team. Then when the Glazers finally loosened the purse strings it came at a time increased money coming into the game (eg TV, sponsor deals) made transfer fees sky rocket.

    Consider how much RA and Mansour spent to upgrade Chelsea and City from mid-table teams to title winners. And factor in what the cost of players were then and now.

    In 2002 we signed Rio for 30m and in 2004 we signed Rooney for 25m. The PL TV money for 2001-2004 was 1,200m.

    Today the TV money is 5,136m, that’s 4.28 times higher. If we use that a rough guideline to inflation it means in 2016-2019 a Rio would cost 128m and an 18 year old teenage striker 107m.

    Do the maths and compare that to the spending for players like Lindelof, Bailly, Lukaku, Mikki etc. even Martialm Shaw and LvG signing.

    For us to build almost from a scratch a team of Rio’s and Rooney’s it would take a billion. City PSG and clubs like that probably are prepared to spend that kind of money but can you ever in your wildest dreams imagine the Glazers doing it !

    #1575969
    MacGuffin
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    PS – Interesting article about spending …….

    Mourinho moans but recruitment not money is where United’s problems lie

    #1575970
    MacGuffin
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    the player value for money rating at the bottom of that article is good.

    #1575996
    Alfie07
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    What Jose said was spot on. He didn’t complain about the lack of investment at Utd, he said that he was backed and that the club was doing it’s best – just that others have no limits financially. What’s bollox about that N1xer?

    He said City had the England goalkeeper, didn’t like him so brought bravo, didn’t like him so brought Ederson – what’s bollox about that N1xer?

    Said truth is that City and PSG can outspend everyone else as they do have unlimited funds.

    Jose is right, we have to be patient and build something over a longer period of time.

    #1576007

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    @Alfie no doubt PSG and City can outspend us going forward. And will do. But at the moment we are the only PL team with two £90M players. What player have they signed we couldn’t afford? Their recent total spend is only slightly ahead of ours. As Mac said, our biggest problem is that we haven’t recruited well. We constantly need to replace players that have been bought.

    Future spending is going to be a big problem because of our poor past recruitment (including that of Mourinho). We are still 6 players away from challenging. When you look at teams like Bayern Munich, Juventus, Atletico Madrid and even Barcelona, they have been challenging in Europe without crazy expenditure.

    The frustration about Mourinho’s interview is that he dedicates a large portion of a prematch interview to talk about other clubs spending and negates to address the fact that we seem to be unravelling a bit at the moment and that the last few performances have been poor. Those types of interview are only going to bring ridicule and claims of hypocrisy. At the moment we need to focus on getting our season back on track.

    PS @Mac i was up most of the night with my sick daughter. You won’t catch me posting on here late after a night on the sauce. In fairness, i was probably a little harsh on Mourinho but i just find those types of interviews very frustrating to watch.

    #1576017

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    The thing is its not due to citys spending that we are 15 points behind. Loss to Huddersfield drop points at stoke leicester and Burnley are all games that we should have won. That’s 9 points there

    How much have those clubs spent in comparison to us? But you won’t hear jose sayign anything about how much money those clubs spend

    I think his excuses are starting to wear thin now OK we can’t spend the same amount as city but even if we could would it make a difference? Can you see jose bringing in the right players I can’t. Matic pogba and Lukaku

    Over £200m just on those 3 players. Let that sink in

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    Alfie07
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    But then you agree with Mourinho N1xer, as he said City and PSG can outspend us, and you agree with that.

    Since City got Pep they have spend about a third more than us on players – and that was from a better position that us too.

    Though I note that now you accept you may have been harsh on him.

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    Alfie07
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    Matic, Pogba and Lukaku! What’s wrong with those three!?

    #1576020

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    Nixer is right to a degree.

    Failing to beat Huddersfield good grief Huddersfield, stoke Leicester and Burnley equating to 9 points has nothing to do with finances!

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    Because we never dropped points against the smaller teams under Fergie…

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    Alfie07
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    Sorry, going to leave it there now.

    #1576025

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    We did but dear Alfie if it didn’t escape your attention the bar has been set a lot higher very little room for errors!

    #1576026
    jimshady
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    i actually thought the press conference was good, i thought his content was great and i believe hes outted Ed Woodward for his nonsense talk. Ed came out awhile ago and said ‘we can do things other clubs can only dream of’. He hasnt proven that in the transfer window at all when you look at PSG, Real, and of course City. We are light years from the league let alone the champions league (which is where we wanna be in world football). Our recruitment has been abyssmal the last few years but i dont think Jose has bought badly compared to LVG who just bought numbers instead of quality and drove DiMaria out!!

    This press conference could be a stroke of genius as he outs the board for the frauds they are, it is reminiscent of Fergie outting Rooney over ‘wanting away’. lets be under no illusion, Man City had a summer of spending we should have had- they already had more quality then before the summer started and for anyone saying we spent £250m, that doesnt get you alot in todays market, two and a half Virgil Van Dykes!!

    #1576029
    MacGuffin
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    We are in the second year of trying to rebuild a football team that is not one of the best teams in the world.

    From his perspective its 2 years but its 5 summer windows since SAF retired. In that time, United have spent net total of 437m and Cityn 506m. Yes City have spent more but we’re pretty much in the same ballpark.

    JM sees it just in terms of spending. One of the accusations against him is he’s a chequebook manager. His comment would seem to validate that accusation. Consider Leicester, what spending did they have? Is a manager just a purchase manager, don’t tactics, player development, motivation etc. play a part (eg Leicester).

    When reminded about his spending at United, he replied:

    “It’s not enough, it’s not enough. And the price for the big clubs is different from the other clubs, so the big, historical clubs are normally punished in the market for that history.”

    Did JM complain about lack of investment from Glazers or just that spending was not enough? Sounds the same to me unless JM (and others) want to argue the Glazers provided the money but JM chose not to spend it. That was the SAF excuse!

    Basically JM is doing what all managers do …… it’s never their fault is it. That said, our performace as measured by results is highly respectable so hardly a need for excuse. Football is about having the gods behind you (again Leicester).

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    jimshady
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    Leicester winning the league was wonderful but a freak occurance, who wants to go through world football with that leicester team anyway? fact is teams need to invest in the squad to win trophies! thats the bottom line! no way around it! i would have a serious look at our scouts though, as i say recruitment has been atrocious!

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    MacGuffin
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    @jimshady – Forger Leicester, take SAF final title win as example then. My point was a successful team is not just about spending. The manager can and often does make the difference even if its only how wisnely he spends the money !

    As regards scouts, 8 out the 10 scouts listed as staff were appointed by JM. If the scouts are the problem who is that down to then?

    #1576038
    jimshady
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    well as i say before, jose recruitment has not been so bad! to be fair i dont known how fergie won the league with that team but such is the genius of the man! but from that team to the team jose tookover our turnover of deadwood players has been moronic! i still see jose needing 2 more seasons to get this right! i hope he has the patience for it! lets be under no illusion and dont let the media sway you, we are far superior to the team we were 12 months ago!

    #1576054

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    I’ve no problem with being patient if we can see a team being built for the long term. Matic has been great for us but at 29 and 40m, we don’t need anymore players in that category. Even Ozil on a free makes no sense to me given he will be 30 and on enormous wages. How long a contract do you give an inconsistent bottler and is he really that much better than Mata or Miki? Also we have a few young players like Tuanzebee, TFM and Pereira who would have been better options in many of the games this season rather than Darmian, Blind and Rojo who have been pretty atrocious when they’ve played. Would Jose pick them, Unfortunately not but why not? When are these youngsters going to get experience if they don’t go out on loan? Jose needs to stop moaning, change his mindset and give youth a chance.

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