Stop Wetting the Bed

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  • #1752812

    united_we_win
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    Man united have won the groundsmen team of the season 18/19 get in!!!!! Beat that I’m ecstatic. I can sense a lawnmower sponsor coming along.. do it Ed you have to sign them up ,we need to retain this title next season!

    #1752952

    united_we_win
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    Good job Watford geeez abysmal! Ed Woodward loves you no qualifier more time to gain sponsors.

    #1752966

    jm1502
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    Green Thumb anyone?

    As for fucking Watford, what a bunch of gutless wankers. Wolves might have given Citeh a game. Terrible end to a terrible season. Oh, wait a minute though, still got the horror of the CL final. COYS

    #1752967

    united_we_win
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    We may as well all pack up for next season and beyond!

    #1752975

    happyhurling
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    The worst anticipated, worst supported and surely the worst viewed FA Cup Final of all time. What an absolute joke.

    #1752980

    united_we_win
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    Guardiola got asked if he has received payments from Abu Dhabi for services other than managing City, as was alleged to have happened with Mancini. He was not happy. “Do you realise what you are asking me? You are asking me that the day we won the treble? Are you accusing me?”

    Hahah he’s fecking rattled! Yes he is you cheating ……..s

    #1752981

    united_we_win
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    Treble eh! Not THE treble thg! Ain’t that right Ed ,show him the new replica kit Ed.

    The state of our club I despair!

    #1752990

    happyhurling
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    Pep – “The main story today is Pogba incident with Man united fans. We have won the league and it’s not the main story. Why?”

    The awkward moment you realise that no matter what you do you will always be second news to Manchester United!! 😏😂👋

    #1753175
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    I back Ole. Even if he doesn’t win us titles he can still take us forward and we can then go on and appoint Pocchettino at another, more convenient, time. But I believe in Ole and back him fully.

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    Let me elaborate a little on this. Mauricio Pochettino is a great manager and I rate him very highly but OGS came in and did so well that he deserves a chance. The reasons things fell apart after the first few months didn’t have anything to do with Ole:

    1. Failure of the suits to invest in the squad over the last two windows. Just imagine if we’d signed Koulibaly and Wan-Bissaka in January. Top four guaranteed.

    2. The players were used to style of play of the previous manager, which I think had them at the bottom of the league in terms of miles run every game unless I’m mistaken. When Ole came in that changed drastically, yielding great results in terms of the football for 2-3 months but then in the Liverpool game the injuries came. After that Ole probably realized that he couldn’t keep playing the way he wanted and had to reverse back to type.

    3. Squad unrest due to the wage structure etc.

    There are probably other factors as well. And as shit as we were during the last few months, we still finished third if we start counting points after Ole came in: https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/how-premier-league-table-looks-16281625

    If Pocchettino had been signed now he’d still be at Tottenham at this time and how could he then be expected to scout and sign the many players we need to improve? It would be the same situation as when Moyes got the job while still at Everton all over again. This would be compounded by the “small” issue of Pocchettino currently being fully mentally embroiled in Spurs Champions League bid.

    I say give Ole his chance and personally I think he will be great. Even if he doesn’t win us titles he can still take us forward. I can’t believe some people point their finger at Ole when he’s inherited the absolute mess of players and all the shenanigans that were going on last summer during the pre-season tour etc. Lots of things would have to happen before anyone even starts thinking of changing manager again:

    1. Ole is fully backed in the transfer market (6 new players the absolute minimum, I would say 8).

    2. Ole is given a full pre-season and then until Christmas to stamp his mark on the team.

    3. We appoint a DOF. Otherwise it’ll just be the Glazer-agent Woodward who’ll appoint the next manager yet again.

    And even if these three conditions are met I still say we should wait at least a year because if Ole ever steps down we should go for Pochettino and that won’t be possible mid-season anyway.

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    killyboye
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    @cr you’re living in cloud cuckoo land buddy. The board will give OGS a chance but they won’t back him to the tune of 6-8 new players, not a hope in hell. It doesn’t matter who we get in to manage the club because as long as Woodward and the Glazers are in charge there won’t be significant investment in the club and it will always be seen as a cash cow rather than a way to win trophies and increase their profile around the world which is how City is viewed by their owners.

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    happyhurling
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    Killy – Do you not think The Glaziers have invested in the squad?

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    killyboye
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    To be fair they have, but have done it very badly, but I can’t see them investing to the tune of 6-8 new players this summer, not to the extent that it’s needed at present. If they had invested well over the last number of seasons then we might be far better off than we are but they’ve just spunked money on so-called superstars hoping the galactico approach would work and it hasn’t. Man Utd has always been greater than the sum of its parts. The club is seen primarily as a cash cow, they don’t seem to be overly concerned with us winning things as long as the money keeps coming in. They’re forgetting though that the money will eventually stop if the success does.

    #1753223

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    Killy..if you take City out of the equation we are easily second in spending in the PL. We also have the highest wage bill. Have Liverpool or Spurs invested heavily? Yet they are miles ahead of us on the pitch. PSG have blown fortunes on transfers yet they cant get near a CL final. There is more to it than just spending shitloads. I’ve said it before, there are very few players, if any, in any other PL squad that we couldn’t have realistically bought. Our problems stem from poor management of the football side of the club and burning through 3 managers in 5 years.

    #1753232
    killyboye
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    Agreed N1xer, that’s the nut shell of my last post. We need to get our house in order but I don’t think the Glazers are the ones to do it unfortunately

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    killyboye,

    I don’t think I ever said that I think the board will necessarily sign 6-8 players though. I was talking about what they should do, not what they will do. I’m fully aware about the Glazers. I think we can sit here all day long and discuss players, managers and CEOs but none of that is the biggest problem at Man Utd.

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    happyhurling
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    Killy – Yes, the Glaziers have invested poorly. But do they make decisions on players bought? No. Is it all Ed Woodward’s fault? Probably not.
    I think the managers we’ve had since Fergie have to hold their hands up as well and take some responsibility. We’ve signed players with a scatter gun approach trying to get a quick fix and it’s back-fired massively. LVG wanted to play possession football and signed some truly atrocious players like Darmian, Rojo, Schweinsteiger and Schneiderlin thinking they would be able to play the football he wanted. Daley Blind and Memphis Depay. Not even gonna talk about Di Maria and Falcao! The guy spent £250m!! I would highlight this as the major reason for where we are now, had that £250m been spent wisely we would be a lot better off.

    This part is speculation by me – Because Ed Woodward had no football knowledge he let LVG decide on transfers and went and bought the players he was told to sign. LVG promised his philosophy would take shape and it just never did. A record number of 0-0 draws at OT quickly followed and we slipped out of the Top 4 for the first time. This is when we were truly in the shit as far as i’m concerned.

    So we give LVG the bullet, he signs off with an FA Cup win. Mourinho comes in and his sole task, his sole aim is to do what he’d done at Chelsea a few seasons back – sign 3 or 4 players that enable him to win the league. Again no vision here, no long-term planning – just go and sign the 3 or 4 players that will us the league. At Chelsea he signed Matic, Fabregas and Costa and he won the league. With us he signed Bailly, Zlatan, Miki and Pogba. That got us back into the CL through winning the Europa League but we were still a way off in the Premier League. So the second season he signed Lindelof, Lukaku and Matic, these were supposed to be the ones who would steady the ship and win us the league. It backfired, although we finished 2nd that season we were showing signs of a team all over the place with players not really fitting into any sort or cohesive unit.

    Now Ole has come in and it sounds like our recruitment and philosophy has changed again. We’re looking at young, hungry players to come in and give the team a huge boost. Ole wants teams to attack, to out run and out score our opponents – he wants us to be the fittest team in the league. So it will be players who aren’t after a final pay day (Sanchez), players who aren’t on their last legs (Matic) and players who aren’t more concerned about their clothes brand (Pogba). We need the Glaziers to continue to spend the money, we need Ed Woodward to go and close the deals. But we also need someone to make the final call on the players we sign – i’m happy if that’s Ole and big Mick.

    I don’t know if it will work, i don’t know how long it will take – but at least it looks like some kind of vision is being put in place…

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    redblood
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    Killy-Glazers have invested badly? I thought the managers in charge over the years @ United were responsible for the players signed??

    #1753297

    hookeddevil
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    The Glazers have invested nothing in the club. They leveraged the buy out and are using the club to make money. They are financial parasites, there is not a coin of investment that has come from them directly into the playing staff.
    A debt free Utd that could actually use all its revenues to build and develop the facilities and squad would be more or less where city are*

    *assumes there’s a competent board.

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    united_we_win
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    Well said hook!

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