Summer transfer window

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    happyhurling
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    JM – Not been adequately trimmed? 13 players have left and Garner could make it 14. How many more players can feasibly exit in 1 window? We’ve also already agreed that top 4 wasn’t a realistic aim this season. We need to see improvement in the squad and a style of play that everyone buys into – then next summer we invest again and then it has to be top 4.

    Clubs with Footballing DoF’s in place have done better business? What like Aston Villa? Or Southampton? Oh hang on, do Leicester have a DoF?!
    😉

    So many contradictions in your post. We haven’t improved enough, but we’ve spent £200m and not got rid of enough players but anything less than top 4 is failure?!

    #2129643
    killyboye
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    Many of those departures were on loan though weren’t they? We currently have six players on loan, most of whom we don’t want back:
    Henderson
    Telles
    Bailly with an obligation to buy and a £1.8m loan fee
    Diallo
    Mejbri
    Fernandez
    Three of those we definitely don’t want back and the jury is out on the other three.
    We only actually managed to sell Pereira for £8.5m.
    We let the following go on a free:
    Pogba
    Lingard
    Mata
    Matic
    Cavani.
    On top of that Lee Grant retired.
    So we’ve let 13 players leave, only seven of which won’t come back, for a total of £10.3m.
    We’ve spent £214m on Casemiro, Antony, Martinez, Malacia and Eriksen (free).

    Yes, we’ve spent a lot of money but there’s still a lot of deadwood especially Jones, Tuanzebe to name but a few in the squad and we’ve a net spend of 204m.

    There is no way that we view this summer as good business. Yes, we’ve strengthened the squad but we still have way to much crap that we just can’t seem to shift.

    #2129659

    happyhurling
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    I don’t think much more could have been done realistically Killy. It’s a good start, a good first window for lots of people new in their roles. Not just the manager but people negotiating the transfers as well. The players you mentioned would have been nice to get rid of as well are injured so rules them out of being shipped out unfortunately. Obviously De Jong was the one that got away and there’s hopefully a resolution to the Ronaldo saga.
    So by no means was it perfect, far from it, but generally i think most people will be happy with it.

    #2129661

    jm1502
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    Spot on killy.

    #2129665

    happyhurling
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    I also really like everything this kid Antony has said so far – “I’ve been dreaming about playing at Old Trafford, i’ve been losing sleep thinking about it, my head and heart were here. Erik knows, everyone at mufc knows about my desire to be here and wear the United shirt”.

    I’m excited about this one!

    #2129740
    killyboye
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    I don’t know happy, I think I’d rather have kept most of the loanees, bar Henderson and possibly Bailly and just torn up the contract of Jones, Tuanzebe etc. Most of the lads gone on loan could have played a role, albeit minor, at the club. Why keep Jones, permanently injured and almost never available? In fairness, £8m or whatever for Pereira was good. We might get £15m for Garner which isn’t bad but I think I’d rather have a relatively unproven 22 year old than a McTomminay or Fred who we know can’t really cut it.
    From a squad point of view, @happy, it wasn’t a bad summer, from a business point of view, it was god awful.

    #2129750
    killyboye
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    Obviously Telles should have gone too, I’d rather have Bailly than Jones though

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    In January we need to shift:

    Jones (sell or terminate contract)
    Tuanzebe (sell)
    Williams (sell or loan)
    Ronaldo (sell)

    The next summer we focus on removing the proper deadwood:

    Lindelof or Maguire
    AWB
    McTominay
    VDB
    Rashford
    Elanga

    #2129764

    happyhurling
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    Mctominay was really good against Southampton, not sure why he’s getting so much flack at the moment. McFred had to be broken up for sure but individually they’re not bad squad players.

    And both are much more mobile than Eriksen…

    #2129774
    killyboye
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    But Eriksen can string more than one pass together and keep a game ticking along, it’s not all about running which Fred and McT do loads of. It’s about reading the game, and vision in which Eriksen exceeds them in spades.

    #2129777

    jm1502
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    But United were ‘offered’ Antony’s services before he joined Ajax back in 2020 for a fraction of the price they are now set to shell out. During Ole Gunnar Solskjaer’s tenure, the winger would have been available for just £15m according to Sky Sports – but the Norwegian passed on the opportunity to strike a deal with the likes of Marcus Rashford and Anthony Martial in form.

    😂😂😂😂

    #2129785
    killyboye
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    😡 Would Antony be the player we’ve bought if he hadn’t gone to Ajax first though?

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    Dest joined AC Milan on loan… feel we should’ve gone for him to challenge Dalot for the RB spot, because one injury/suspension to Dalot and we’re back to no-football down our right side.

    #2130045

    jm1502
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    1.5 million for Chong is fucking awful business.

    #2130050

    englishbob
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    can we still do loans or is that Window shut too?

    #2130065

    happyhurling
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    Yeah i never understand why people make the point that we could have signed x player years ago for a fraction of the cost. Of course we could have but he was a fraction of the player! Such a stupid point to make.

    #2130072

    Blacky
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    @happy – McTominay didn’t do a fucking thing right against Southamoton, anyone who thinks otherwise is a deluded crackpot. As for for not being able to understand why he gets so much flak, that is hardly surprising given your absolute cluelessness added to your total lack of objectivity when it comes to judging our players.
    If McShite was plying his trade at Anfield or the Etihad you wouldn’t be able to keep your undercrackers dry for more than 5 minutes because you’d be pissing yourself laughing 24 hours a fucking day!!😂😂😂😂

    #2130074
    killyboye
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    McTomminay is a squad player, he’s good but he gets so much flak because we’re sorely in need of a great player in midfield, we’ve been spoiled in the past with some of the midfielders we’ve had and none of the current crop come close to the likes of Robson, Keane or Scholes. McTomminay runs hard, tackles hard, is committed and leaves it on the pitch, he’s just not good enough to be a starter for Manchester Utd. I don’t know if he’d still be at the club if SAF was still in charge but we’d be happy for him to be a bench warmer, but that’s all he should be in my view. When ETH judges Casemiro fit enough to be a starter, you’ll find his minutes on the pitch will go off a cliff.
    How is Mata still without a club? I know he’s pushing on but he’s still a lot to offer a lot of clubs.

    #2130082

    jm1502
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    How the fuck do you know he was a fraction of the player? It’s about seeing players with potential and picking them up cheap rather than doing what we always do, buy them from someone who realised their potential and bought them cheap dummy. And when we do realise potential we still pay over the odds like Amad, and then find that we’d overestimated their potential. That’s the fucking point.

    #2130085
    killyboye
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    Agreed to a point @jm, we can’t make every player realise their potential. Some players are better off being in a club like Ajax or Dortmund or Rennes or take your pick because they’ll be playing first team football week in, week out and will develop better there than they ever would here. If our Academy was that good we’d never need to buy a player.
    Where we seem to fall down is that we don’t sell our academy players for as much money as other clubs seem to, especially Chelsea and now Man City as well. And we do overpay massively, but that’s because we’re one of the richest clubs in the world, even with the £500m odd of debt we have, and clubs know we’ll pay because we always have.

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