Summer transfers – Contracts

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  • #1737713

    N1xer
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    Time has shown that M&M sold out at a price way below what they should have. But as you say hindsight is a wonderful thing. Even more so in the world of finance.

    My point is that the club floated on the stock market without properly considering the ramifications of not having anything to prevent a hostile takeover. M&M is just a small part of why the Glazers ended up taking control. The story of it being down to Fergie’s fallout with Coolmore gets the most traction because its a headline grabber. The bottom line is that if the club had of been structured properly they could have defended much better against the Glazer take over regardless of M&M selling their stake.

    Anyways, we did this topic to death back in the day on the old forum. It just pisses me off when people present the Glazer takeover as being the fault of Fergie and assume the whole Coolmore debacle was the sole reason.

    #1737728

    homerjay540
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    I don’t like this slowdown in contract renewals. Need to get De Gea, Rashford, Herrera and even Mata signed up asap. We should really be starting our summer transfer prep now

    #1737734

    N1xer
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    If we could get Oblak then i’d let De Gea go. I know that’s controversial but i just think he has dropped below his usual standard this season and it seems the Madrid situation is going to be constantly hanging over us. Regardless of him signing, i have no confidence the transfer rumours wont start again in a season or two.

    Rashford i think will sign up. Herrera i think would be good to keep around the squad but it wouldn’t be the end of the world if he left. Mata i think will leave on a free. Its time for him to move on.

    I think generally the contract renewals have been handled really poorly. Some of the contracts handed to certain players have really screwed the club in contact negotiations. I’d prefer to let some players go than be held to ransom. Sanchez’s salary is the elephant in the room. For that reason alone he should be moved on this summer regardless

    #1737760
    Zico
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    @N1xer-Glazers knew Fergie was the pivotal man to get on board to take over.
    Dont you think he was rewarded for this?

    #1737763

    happyhurling
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    If we let De Gea go we take several massive steps backwards in my opinion. If anyone thinks he’s “dropped below his usual standard this season” please don’t be silly, go back and watch some of the incredible saves he’s made.
    He’s 28 years old, moving into the prime years of his career. Now is categorically the wrong time to let him go!

    #1737766

    united_we_win
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    It’s not just De Gea we have huge issues on multiple levels look at old Trafford and check spurs new stadium? Nothing has been done to update old Trafford the south stand needs development but ignored.

    #1737767
    Zico
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    Pogba swap for Bale and Kroos,give me a break.

    #1737787

    Blacky
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    @happy – FFS stop putting ridiculous amounts of spin on things to airbrush away the truth, just because it does not fit with your narrative.
    @n1xer is spot on when he says that DDG has not had a good season because he hasn’t, it started at the World Cup where he had a shithouse of a tournament and he has never hit the heights of previous years since then, despite the odd good game here and there.
    Fact is, if he doesn’t sign a new contract before this summer the club will have no choice other than to sell him off for way below what his market value would otherwise have been and that’s another one you can mark down to that fucking plank Ed Woodward.
    Seems to me the ‘3 amigos’ are all planning to do one this summer for varying different reasons and I will also be amazed if Pogba doesn’t leave as well, simple as that.

    #1737796

    happyhurling
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    Blacky – Ha ha ha, thought that might coax you out! Cool, let’s sell the “3 amigos” and see where we are next year.

    #1737801
    MacGuffin
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    I am in two minds about DDG. On one hand I dont like that he is constantly linked with RM and I’m sure would rather be there than here. BUT the goal is a critical position and it signings are always risky. Look at the problems we had after Schmeichel. I think I would rather a below par DDG than take the risk on another keeper AND as happy says, DDG is entering the prime age for keepers.

    #1737803

    Blacky
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    @happy – Fact is mate, if a club the size of ours can’t cope with losing Herrera, Mata and DDG (based on this season’s form) then we might as well just turn off all the lights and not bother, simple as that.

    #1737822

    N1xer
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    The one reason i think DDG will stay is that amazingly people in Spain don’t rate him. For Spain he has been a different keeper. The Spanish media don’t celebrate him like they have the best in the world. He quite often gets hammered in the press. The stick he got in the papers was brutal during the World Cup. I just think if we could get Oblak then it would be worthwhile cashing in on De Gea because the constant will he won’t he leave for Madrid will never go away. But equally if he signs i’ll be happy for now as he is the least of our problems at the minute. Plus we would then be able to get a proper fee for him in a couple of seasons time.

    #1737856

    happyhurling
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    Blacky – Agree on the other two but not De Gea. He’s the best goal keeper in the world, he’s 28. The whole team starts from him in my view. I accept that sometimes he drops below his best but that’s because he’s set the bar so high for himself. When he’s having 10/10 games almost every week I can see why (certainly with you!) the critical eye would quiver when he drops a 7 or 8 out of 10. But that shouldn’t detract from the fact that no other keeper in the league is at his level.

    P.S. If he did go I’d want £150m at least after what Liverpool and Chelsea did to the GK market recently.

    #1737886

    Mike2005
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    I’m not that sure De Gea and Herrera particularly want out. I think their agents are just in charge of negotiations and because we’ve left the contracts so late they have us over a barrel. They will point to the wages of Sanchez and Pogba and will be holding the club to ransom over huge increases.

    To replace Herrera would be £50m, to replace De Gea with a quality keeper, probably £70-100m, pay the wages or pay the fee. The Glazers (and Ed) would normally pay the wages, but will also be conscious that our wage bill is starting to get out of control and could affect our ability to attract new signings in the summer.

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    With De Gea, we have to hold every other club that wants him to ransom – like daylight robbery stuff like we have to do ourselves.

    If Real Madrid want him then they need to cough up Courtois and 100m – it seems insane but that’s the price I’d set: we either get a good keeper (and Courtois is still a good keeper and actually one of the few keepers who can stand near De Gea right now) and a nice chunk of cash or we keep the world’s best goalkeeper.

    It’s just a shame that the mismanagement at the top have allowed Herrera and De Gea’s contracts to run so low… if Herrera leaves in summer it will be criminal given the form he has produced since Ole came in.

    Would be another stain in the utterly total mess that is the leadership of the Glazers and Woodward.

    #1737917
    MacGuffin
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    Its difficult to hold RM to ransom because they turn a players head so that the player wants the move and puts pressure on the club. Remember Beckham, we did a deal with Barca for him (Ronaldinho coming the other way) but Becks insisted he would only move to RM and we ended up selling him to them for less than Barca had agreed to pay !!

    #1737918

    N1xer
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    Seems the club are leaking that we are not going in for a big name centre half in the summer. Next year must be a building year again because no way we’ll challenge with the current centre backs at the club.

    #1737923
    MacGuffin
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    Ole indicated for him the priority was not the defense but a right winger. That’s where the big money signing is expected to be. As for other positions, probably mid-range price ie 50m.

    #1737963

    @macguffin – difficult yes but United need to do it. Can’t see De Gea sulking too much at staying at United (he didn’t after the farce of his transfer to RM last time). We can’t keep being held to ransom when buying players then not doing the same when we come to sell – De Gea, Pogba and Rashford are the only players that we can demand any fee for given their quality and/or age and we should make any club that wants to sign them cry; same way we had to do the same to sign the first two and many other top (or even average) talents recently.

    Cheers

    #1737967

    homerjay540
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    Losing de Gea would be a disaster but we cannot let him go into the final 12 months of his contract. He signs up before the end of the season or we sell him. Simple as

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