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    Pagan
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    You have young kids who are following their dream of being a footballer. The abuser is the one who controls their fate. Not only do they think they probably won’t be believed as they are just kids and he’s an adult, they also believe that speaking up against the people that determine whether they realise their dream will stop them progressing. Once they are in the abuse cycle it’s hard for them to break out of it as it’s difficult to say they allowed it to happen in the first place and did nothing.
    As for your question about what’s wrong with asking, the answer to that is nothing, it oversteps the mark though when you start saying the victim must also share the blame….Pagan

    #1356034

    CFC1905
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    AMZ – your interpretation of events is not what I have read which is why I do not think it is shows the Club in such a bad light as you think

    Every day more and more stories are coming out so just like the Saville investigation I am sure that more and more people will be cited, however, many of these will be dead so not much action can be taken

    That does not mean the incidents should not be investigated or made public but it is extremely hard to serve up justice after such a long time after the event

    I assume that the best that can be hoped for is that all Clubs will look closely at their current policies and that any further checks that need to be put in place will be done (I had to undergo a police check when I started coaching my kids under 7 team and that was 20 odd years ago so controls and checks would appear to have improved from the 60’s). KTBFFH

    #1356088
    Pagan
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    1905, the problem is we admitted the abuse did happen by compensating the player that sought financial redress, what we should have done then is report it to the governing body, hopefully we didn’t just walk away then, but did some internal investigations.

    As for CRB checks, they mean nothing at best and hasn’t been caught at worst. I believe parents are more aware now of the worst amongst society and look out more for their children….Pagan

    #1356127
    Redyteddy
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    quite right 1905, you cannot punish Todays German nation for what hitler and his cronies did in the past.

    #1356379
    Pagan
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    Old Owl see Godwin’s Law

    #1356385
    Pagan
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    However you can punish the perpetrators and those that aide and abet them by concealing what they did……Pagan

    #1356757

    nine nine nine
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    A good analysis on all this from the liquidator@1:56pm yesterday on this thread.

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    AshCFC
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    One thing is for sure, the abuse that happened at Chelsea happened in the 1970s, which means no one within RA’s administration is to blame.

    At worst the current Chelsea team made a strategic mistake. Let’s be clear though, they are not responsible for the nonces in the 70s.

    #1356859
    Pagan
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    Ash, although the current administration was not to blame at the time the abuse took place, they were when it came to light and seem to have mismanaged the situation. However Chelsea as a club cannot shirk responsibility by just changing administration….Pagan

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    Rollonaverage
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    Pagan I cannot understand why you trying so hard to demonise your own club when it is quite clear that what happened has nothing at all to do with the current administration, and in any event the allegations or events that took place many years ago were from one individual and not the millions associated with the club, in addition that individual is now dead and unable to defend himself.

    #1357087

    CFC1905
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    Must admit Pagan that I do not follow your logic

    You seem to agree that due to the timing of the incidents that the current administrations cannot be held responsible – and I think most fans would agree with that

    You are correct that they possibly have mismanaged the situation when allegations originally came to light

    However, they have come totally clean and have publically stated that they will be working with all parties to ensure that a proper and full investigation is conducted so I cannot see how that can be interpreted as shirking their responsibilities at all…? KTBFFH

    #1357135
    Pagan
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    1905, I’m referring to the fact that there will be others coming forward and the club still has a responsibility to them.

    Rollon, he may be dead and unable to defend himself, but so was Saville and the BBC had to carry the can for him. I’m not demonising the club, but I am saying just because it happened in the past the club still has to face its responsibilities and the action of the current administration has not helped….Pagan

    #1357138

    nine nine nine
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    I agree with 1905’s post above and let’s not forget that Johnson allegedly went to the Police circa 40 years after these allegations took place who sent him to Chelsea FC and he turned up there with his chosen law firm Slater and Gordon who are as the liquidator pointed out in his previous post a notorious ambulance chasing/compensation firm of lawyers who regularly advertise their no win no fee services on TV.

    Chelsea’s mistakes were in agreeing to pay compensation to Johnson when they should have first referred the whole matter to the FA and in putting the confidentiality clause in to the £50,000 compensation agreement with Johnson although the clubs lawyers would have almost certainly insisted on that at that time not only to protect the image of the club but also to protect the club from potential bogus claims given the sketchy nature of any evidence that is currently available re Eddie Heath who is now deceased anyway.

    All of this happened circa 40 plus years ago and nobody responsible for the running of the club now was responsible for the running of the club then.

    There have been errors of judgement in how the club have dealt with the allegations and I’m sure the club will have to answer to the FA because of that but as 1905 rightly points out the club have now done all they possibly can to steer the right course on this from here and even Olly Holt on the Sunday Supplement was moved to offer the club credit for doing that.

    All imo probably best left to the FA and the lawyers to deal with now,I don’t think anybody has covered themselves in glory on this inc the FA who themselves failed to follow up on a Dispatches programme in the 90’s that exposed the abuse in football.

    #1357198

    Rollonaverage
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    Pagan what exactly has the current administration done that is inappropriate , I heard them deeply apologizing and more than willing to help going forward for any hurt that was suffered by any individual despite it having very little to do with them which I thought was brilliant and not even necessary.

    #1357417

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    Pagan – who knows if any more will come forward that are associated or linked to Chelsea but my point is that we have made our position clear that we will assist anyone as well as the authorities

    Don’t see how much more transparent we as a Club can be on this delicate subject…? KTBFFH

    #1357885

    CFC1905
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    I am reading today in the Mail that 3 of the most senior members of the board (Buck, Granovskaia and Tenenbaum), met with Johnson for over 2 hours to apologise face to face on behalf of the Club and asked him to help with the Club’s investigation

    Apparently they admitted they had made mistakes about the confidentiality clause and they/we would not do that again

    It would appear that Chelsea as a Club is doing what it can on this subject…? KTBFFH

    #1357918

    nine nine nine
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    Scotland Yard are quite rightly now investigating all claims across all clubs in their jurisdiction regarding incidents of abuse in football.

    Probably best we hold fire now until the investigations by the Police,the FA and the club have been completed.

    As of 9/12 83 suspects and 98 clubs involved in abuse investigation. Going to take a while.

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