The greatest Liverpool team ever?

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  • #1818272
    adriansmooth
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    John Aldridge has said that this Liverpool side is possibly their greatest in history.
    That may be true, they will win the league this season and could win the UCL again. But it’s too early to label them the best ever yet I think. In order to do so they need to win the league 2 or 3 times in a row and will have to dominate the league for the most part of the new decade.

    #1818284

    captkirk
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    Liverpool fans may reasonably claim this is their best team ever, that is the current one is better than the team consisting of Hansen, Dalglish and other legends of the past.

    Best team in history is another debate.

    #1818837

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    As a neutral, I would say this probably is the best team in Liverpool’s history. Whilst they dominated the 70’s and 80’s and had some great players, they only had the best players from Britain, and competed against the best players from Britain. They now have some of the best players in the world, and are competing against the best players in the world.

    #1819132
    foxyfoxes
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    NOLU, I disagree. Here is why. This Liverpool side is not made up of world class players. They are a great side as a team, as part of the system and ultimately, the result of a world class coach.

    Think about it. Who were Robertson, Van Dijk, Allison, TTA, Salah, Mane, Firminho, Henderson, Wijnaldum before Klopp came along?

    Van Dijk, Salah and Mane were very promising players. Salah arguably the most proven of those given his season at Roma.

    TTA, Robertson and Gomez were nobodies.

    Wijnaldum and Henderson were ok, but relatively anonymous players.

    Basically Klopp is the master of making the most of what he has to play with. He took some time to get players to play to his style, but be honest, who would have believed you if you said 3 years ago that Henderson would become a staple midfield and captain for Liverpool and become a European, World and League champion?

    I don’t think the majority of those players could go to another dominant team in world football and still be great at what they do.

    They are not the sum of their parts, they are a brilliant unit masterminded by a footballing genius who is able to make average to good players perform way above their abilities. Ranieri did that for us too for one season. Look at Drinkwater. Killed it for us in a system that worked for him yet now looks like a Championship player everywhere else.

    The players from the 80s Liverpool teams were considered to be World Class and would have been dominant in any other world footballing team.

    I think we are looking at two different styles of teams.

    The 80s Liverpool teams were much more a sum of their individual parts (still very well coached)

    This Liverpool team is made up of much less talented players but is such a well oiled and functioning unit thanks to its coach

    #1819143

    NotoriousBingo
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    Far better side with much stronger mentality than anything else in the history of the club, they have not stepped of the gas for a full fucking year now…

    #1819147
    foxyfoxes
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    the true test for me is if they can back it up season after season. That, in my opinion is the hardest thing to do for a manager and player. This Liverpool side is spurred on by a bloody-mindedness to get the monkey off its back. Added to their brilliant effort last season still not being good enough only makes their resolve even stronger. The key will be how they approach next season. Will they have the same determination to keep the winning system going. The great teams do that week in week out, year after year.

    #1819307

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    You can wait another year to get on board but this side is miles ahead of any other side in the past… cause it’s not just this season, they lost one game in the league last season, won the bloody champions league and it doesn’t look like this side is getting dismantled any time soon, in fact better players might be coming in next summer for the few lads that cant get game time.

    #1819334

    Kingo
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    They will keep working their nuts off to break all records this season. And will do it with very little of the gamesmanship and cynicism of recent winners. But will they get motivated to work that hard again next season? Not sure they will.

    #1819557

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    Im not really worried about that with Klopp at helm and with both Henderson and Milner drilling everyone on. The amount of leaders in this team is phenomenal, its everywhere over the pitch… Defense, midfield and attack, the best keeper in the world, it would take over 500 million to buy up this team!

    #1819577
    foxyfoxes
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    The weird thing is, I still look at the midfield Klopp put out tonight and as individuals, they are bang average in my eyes. None of the top teams in the PL would be looking at any of those players and thinking they would add anything to their starting line ups. Fabinho would be about the only top class player in my eyes and he hasn’t featured for a while.

    #1819586

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    thats just because you dont know how to spot talent mate, Wijnaldum is one of the most complete midfielders in the world, Henderson has grown into one of the best midfield enforcers in the world right now. Then you have a perfect balance of more attacking players and Fabinho. This team has lost 6 times in the last 96 games, do you really think the work that goes unnoticed by the midfield can be called average? Are you maybe just reading the headlines about which players are good or something? Have you actually watched how Liverpool play?

    #1819589
    foxyfoxes
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    I’ve watched plenty of Liverpool mate. They play a very good brand of football. However, as I pointed out higher up, Klopp has managed to fit very average players into his system and have them red lining in terms of their ability and performances (how shit was Lovren and Origi before Klopp). If you think Henderson is a world class player then I would have to question your sanity. AOC is seriously average. Ginie is a very good player, one of the best midfield enforcers in the world? I think not. He is just able to play Klopp’s system very well. As I said, Drinkwater looked brilliant for us under our system, as soon as he left and forced to play a system that didn’t suit him, he looked bang average, even shit!
    The genius behind Klopp’s system is that it does not rely on the midfield to overperform like most sides’ midfield are required to. Generally, if your team’s midfield don’t perform in attack AND defence your team will lose. Klopp’s system doesn’t rely on his midfield to perform as heavily in attack.

    #1819592

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    did you read what I wrote mate, I stated that Henderson has grown into one of the best enforcers in the world right now, not Gini…

    I kinda doubt your ability to read the game, there is nothing average about being in the right place at the right moment every time, there is nothing average about this team…

    If you can´t see the form Henderson is in there is no hope for you mate… Roy Keane would be bullied by him right now…

    #1819593
    foxyfoxes
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    haha, sure. Even better if you think Hendo is one of the best enforcers in the world.

    #1819594

    NotoriousBingo
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    I can spot a player in form, you don´t realize that both Henderson and Wijnaldum are playing better than Kante did for your guys during your title campaign… Way better in fact

    #1819595
    foxyfoxes
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    haha, keep talking. Your one-eyed, short-sighted views are very entertaining

    #1819597

    NotoriousBingo
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    good trolling mate, put some glasses on, you might be able to spot something out there on the pitch if you do…

    #1819598
    foxyfoxes
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    you epitomise all the pool fans of the last 30 years and wonder why we laugh at you when year after year you start trying to convince everyone that will listen that you’re going to win the league.

    You’ve won one league in 30 years (which you haven’t actually won yet) and suddenly it’s the greatest team in history, Henderson is better than Keane and Kante (who are widely regarded as some of the greatest defensive mids the league has ever seen).

    Think you need to stop getting carried away mate. Even my little Leicester won the Premier League before your guys did. Let’s have this debate in five years and see how dominant and great this current Liverpool side really is.

    #1819599

    NotoriousBingo
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    you are so funny, you really think that Liverpool FC is the only club I follow, its the year 2020, I have every match I wanna see with any team in the world and believe me I have watched a lot of teams… This current Liverpool side is up there with the old Milan side that dominated football when I grew up…

    Go check out your eyesight if you honestly can´t see the difference between Drinkwater and Henderson, or actually just watch a game with Liverpool… Ohh you did a week or so ago… 4-0 wasnt it?

    And yeah… lets get back to this in a few years, I´m pretty certain that more titles will follow as there is not a team in the league that is anywhere close to our level this year.

    #1819885

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    foxyfoxes : It’s all a matter of opinion. You think that Henderson, Wijnaldum are average not world class players like Ozil, Pogba and Bruno Fernandez and this does not annoy or displease me in the least. Because as long as the vast majority of pundits, fans and managers think like that it will ensure that clubs like Man Utd go on and signs players like Di Maria based on hype rather than actual and verifiable performance on the field. The argument that the midfield of Liverpool is being carried by the forwards does not stand if scrutinised carefully as the midfield is the area on which success and failure hinges the most, as Messi would testify after the departure of Iniesta and Xavi.

    I have no problem if Kovacic and Jorginho are considered to be vastly superior to what Liverpool have in midfield. For instance Fabian Ruiz is considered to be the next big thing based on youtube videos where he is seen toying with Cagliari or Torino players and some club will pay 80M for him expecting him to do the same against Sheffield Utd or Wolves.

    Not all Liverpool fans have been saying it’s our year and most have admitted that Chelsea or City were worthy winners recently. However some of us think that the current crop is the best to have been assembled at Anfield. The amount of points clocked so far this season and last year’s CL campaign + 97 points in the league seem to point to the fact that they are not a flash in the pan either.

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