The man with the iron fist

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    “We have players with problems but we have on the pitch players with problems,” said Mourinho, whose side moved up to sixth. That’s what I mean.

    I know in other sports – at the highest level – how many times you play and you are not 100 per cent.

    I have a friend who is a big tennis player and he remembers more the times he played with pain than the times he played without any pain.

    To compete you have to go to the limits. It’s a cultural thing for some. That is not my culture.”

    I am glad Mourinho has called these players out. He was forced to change his back line because 2 defenders had little niggles. Just imagine if Keano or Robson were around, Shaw and Smalling would not have stood a chance. This is what United have been lacking, players with mental strength, players are prima donna’s, players like Shaw, Smalling and Memphis arrive at the club and think they have made it as a footballer. Mourinho is not afraid to upset a few, he has probably been left disappointed with the mentality of a few players.

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    Yeah, it all seems a bit strange to me. Funnily enough those two players really don’t strike me as players not willing to put their bodies on the line. Shaw is a powerhouse fullback who runs all day long, is obviously getting back to full health after that horrific leg break. So he’s bound to have a bit of burn out along the way and, perhaps, some psychological issues from it? And Smalling is the only defender we’ve had since Vidic who will actually throw his head in when he could get hurt. He loves the physical aspect of the game. Plus he has made a huge turn around from his injury days, last season he was almost ever present. Maybe he’s just making sure he keeps his body away from those niggles which cost him dearly a couple of years back.
    I agree that there are prima donna’s in the squad and players who think they’ve made it as soon as they arrive at Carrington – just never thought it would be Shaw and Smalling…!

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    HH

    I reckon it is more to do with the fact they left him in the lurch right at the last minute. If it was a serious injury then he would have understood, but little niggles? Especially when He had to reshuffle the defence and defensive training would have gone out of the window if he was relying on those 2. The back 4 would have had little time preparing for the game together and head to throw in someone who has been out for almost a year.

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    Don’t know about anyone else but these Jose comments have managed to restore a bit of my faith in him. I just wonder if the reason he looks so pissed off these days is the attitude of the players he’s inherited rather than their (lack of) ability? Anyway the sooner he starts getting rid of some of this lot the better.
    I only managed to stream part of the game yesterday but I still wasn’t impressed with the lack of fluidity in this team. We will never have great cohesion with donkeys like Fellaini in cm. Also, despite his goals yesterday, Ibra’s lack of pace and movement is a real problem up front. Watching the Chelski/Liv. games, we really are a long way off the pace and we are already miles behind the other top teams on goal diff. never mind points.

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    I have no problem with Jose pulling the players up on this matter but I don’t think it should be aired in public. Something that should be sorted out behind closed doors IMO.

    #1307337

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    Manthistle-

    Maybe it should not be aired in public, yet Mourinho is not the only one to do this. Klopp said the same about Sturridge last season, Pep has done it a fair few times this season in regards to Hart, Yaya, Nasri and he even mentioned Aguero’s on his off the ball ability. Mourinho seems to get scrutinised and ridiculed the most in this aspect. If Shaw and Smalling pussied out, then us fans have the right to know. Like I said this would not have happened if Keano or Robson were playing today. Ferguson certainly would not have stood for this as well. He may not have told media about it, but one way or the other it would have come out.

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    redblood
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    CM-The old fox know what he is doing,maybe,just maybe,he wants Shaw and Smalling out come January!!!.

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    I advocated getting a replacement for Smalling during the summer window. He’s not good enough to be a first team regular – good enough only to be a second string player. JM will get in another CB to partner Bailly in January.
    Shaw is another matter altogether. It seem his present style of play is not to JM’s liking. Fair enough. JM knows what he wants and he wants his players to play like that.
    Shaw is 21, or there abouts. He is young enough to be able to change his style of play. All he needs is to apply himself to the changes JM wants him to make and there’ll be no problems. It’s up to the lad himself. If he’s not prepared to do what the manager wants – and I believe he’s got that ability – then there’s no place for him at OT.
    Shaw has got the rest of the season to convince the manager that he’s adaptable. I hope he’s able to do that.

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    MacGuffin
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    And now it emerges Smalling toe was broken in 2 places do you still think he was right to publicly criticise Smalling.

    If our defence is so threadbare that JM needs Smalling to defeat a team like Swansea perhaps he should have strengthened the defence in the summer when he had chance.

    Looks like with Bailly and Smalling out JM will turn to Jones. OMG !!

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    hatters
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    Nowadays we get more injuries than Arsenal and that is saying something. It started with van Gaal and I have no idea why it has been happening.

    Anyways, having seen how rubbish Smalling is this season I couldn’t care less that he is out. Bailly is the real injury problem we have.

    So that’s Rojo, Blind, and Jones in our CB positions for at least a month. We’re f**ked.

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    Alfie07
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    Does anyone know if it is usual to play on with a broken toe – with an injection?

    Haye got laughed at for using a broken toe as an excuse when he lost against Klitschko.

    Many rugby players play with broken fingers.

    Not backing one or the other, but if Smalling played against Chelsea with a broken toe is it actually that unusual?

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    Blind and Jones for me.

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    MacGuffin
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    Alfie – No doctor would ever accept playing through pain or with injury. If the injury got worse the doctor could be held liable. It would only be “against doctor recommendation” but done if important eg cup final etc.

    I cannot see how a PL game early in the season against Swansea could be considered important. Come to that, I can’t see how Smalling’s presence in the team no matter who the opposition are is critical.

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    I agree it is very harsh on from Mourinho. I guess there will be more to this than what meets the eye.

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    @Mac, I think you mentioned it on another thread, how was Smalling’s broken toe not diagnosed sooner? I mean it’s broken in two places!
    If Smalling turned to Jose and said ‘I can’t play, my toe is freaking killing me!’ What do you think Jose would have thought? He’d have thought Smalling was a pussy, and he’d probably have been right, and he said so.
    Now, if a Doctor turned to Mourinho and said, ‘Smalling can’t play, his toe is broken in two places.’ What do you think Mourinho would have said? ‘Fine, no problem.’
    So it seems the crux of the matter here is that Smalling’s toe was either not diagnosed, or else the diagnosis was not made known to one or both of the manager and player in time for the match. Either way, the medical dept have questions to answer in this case.
    You can talk all you like about Mourinho’s ill-judged comments regarding Smalling and Shaw, but if a diagnosis of this magnitude was missed or not made known then there are problems in the medical dept that need to be addressed.

    #1312635

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    Brilliant post Killyboye. Maybe that is the reason why Mourinho is reviewing the medical team at the club.

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    Wasn’t it diagnosed before the Chelsea match?

    He had two pain killing injections before that match, if they weren’t for the toe then what were they for?

    As I said earlier, many people play sport with broken bones. A broken toe is not a major bone. Many players play with broken cheek bones etc, they wear masks to help. Doctors allow for that, surely it’s up to the player.

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    Perhaps it wasn’t known to be as serious as it was, the toe is apparently broken in two places. Conjecture again but if the toe was known to be broken but not as badly as it is now known to be, then again the medical dept have questions to answer.

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    You cant play with a broken toe in football. Either way you look at it,Mourinho once again looks silly going out public with things they could keep and and evaluate inside the club. Cant stand the crybaby.

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