The Premier League Thread

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  • #1779632

    mufc
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    Huge London derby today, both will want to bounce back after defeats last week.

    #1779769

    captkirk
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    Nine Nine Nine : I’m posting this comment here because I don’t think Chelsea fans will be interested to read about VAR after yesterday’s draw and I’ve also never posted on the Chelsea page.

    First of all I’m not desperate, and it would be strange indeed for a Liverpool fan to be feeling that way after the CL won and the fact that Liverpool’s starting eleven isn’t inferior to that of City and the bench with the likes of Milner, Shaqiri, Gomez, Origi and the Ox isn’t too shabby either.

    On the subject of VAR, one Liverpool poster AK, gave a link to an informative podcast on VAR before the league started and after listening to it I’m well aware of how VAR works in the PL.

    What I had in mind when I posted my comment on the Liverpool your say page can be illustrated by the City vs Liverpool match in January, highlights can be found on Youtube of course. Early in the match Fernandinho holds Mane who is bearing on goal and brings him down near the central line. In this instance there were two City players next to him so it’s a yellow for the Brazilian, but in another incident Kompany brings him down near the centre again, and it is clear that he is the last defender but the ref doesn’t give the City player a red because he is too far away from Ederson’s goal. That’s when VAR could intervene and decide that the foul deserves a red.

    Many of the tactical fouls committed by City players last season were done in the centre of the park when the central defenders went up field when they were awarded set pieces, and I feel they won’t be able to resort to that tactic without taking into consideration that VAR could reduce them to ten players on the pitch.

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    @captkirk – unfortunately VAR (and refereeing in general) won’t be able to help clubs who have to play against City and other similar clubs who use underhand tactics to break down counter-attacks; currently it is only being used for penalties and red card offences so is not helping in the other aspects which are arguably even more important than those two when you see the impact they have on the game. Yes, Kompany might have been sent off in the context but even if VAR was in place, like you said, the ref wouldn’t give it. Counter-attacks can be the most dangerous ways to attack an opponent and not punishing teams correctly for intentionally ending these should fall in the same bracket as someone who intentionally stops a shot at goal illegally or illegally stops a player from attempting a shot at goal.

    In my opinion, the rules of football need to change with the times and the following needs to apply:

    – If you foul an opponent when they’re counter-attacking you receive a yellow card, irrespective of whether you meant to do it legally or not. Imagine City players getting 7 yellow cards in the first half of a match, they’ll have to quickly stop intentionally fouling players then.

    – If you very intentionally chop down a player who has got past you to stop a counter-attack, you should receive a red card. If an attacker beats his defender legally then that defender shouldn’t just chop down a player with no intention to get the ball, it merely ruins the game and the oppositions chances to win the game.

    I despise City’s tactics and think that, if refs had to have more balls, they wouldn’t walk away with half the matches they play as their fouling antics are impressive (in a negative way) however Pep has built the team up to look like a goody-two-shoes one that never looks bad in referees’ books so they will continue to get away with it.

    #1780092

    Kingo
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    Wow, another poster who can see the City sham for what it is.

    #1780238

    captkirk
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    Sympathy for the Devils : Rule for last defender is “When a denial of a goal scoring opportunity offence is committed by a defender in the penalty area, the penalty kick effectively restores the goalscoring opportunity so the punishment for the player should be less strong (e.g. a yellow card) than when the offence is committed outside the penalty area.

    “However, when the offence is handball or clearly not a genuine attempt to play or challenge for the ball, the player will be sent off.”

    So a cynical foul outside the box should be under more stringent scrutiny as no penalty is awarded, but Pep is very smart and has been using ref’s aversion to give a red when it occurs near the halfway line.

    Imagine what Pep would have instructed his player to do if he was managing a club in the PL when Ronaldo and Rooney were playing for Utd.

    #1780270

    Kingo
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    If we’re talking rule changes to improve the game (and stuff up City), perhaps a red card and a month ban for dribbling the ball into the corner flag to waste time would be a good idea.

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    steveosnakeeye
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    seems a silly comment, that kind of time wasting, professional fouls and what not have been a part of the game forever…its not a city thing they just do it much better than most…this just feels like yet another witchhunt over a team that is stoping your (second) team winning as much as youd like! and of course liverpool and all other teams are whiter than white and never do such nefarious things….cough

    #1780313

    Kingo
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    Liverpool did it in the last couple of minutes in the second leg v Barcelona last year. Apart from that, I haven’t seen them do it. My points are, if City were the beautiful footballing machine we are led to believe, they wouldn’t stoop to such sordid tactics, and secondly, can’t we just find a way to stop anyone from doing it. Unless some people enjoy watching it.

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    Kingo
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    Well, nobody’s arguing with any of that.

    #1780695
    steveosnakeeye
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    thats the thing about city they are more than just a beautiful team to watch, if they were JUST that they would get turned over far more, seems to me you have a real city problem and it clouds your every view point….

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    chelsea1967
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    with United supporters it just used to be a Liverpool issue but now that their neighbours are top of the pile and will be for a long time it is something that is just unpalatable for them. This noisy neighbours thing is meaningless now as United sadly pale into insignificance themselves.

    For Kingo I sort of understand coz he’s a Pompey lad so can look at everything at the top of the Premier League objectively ie. no vested interest. Is Kingo the legend that rings the bell at all the Pompey matches?

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    steveosnakeeye
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    except it is a portsmouth/liverpool fan who has such a clear anti city agenda and will say anything to discredit them whilst extolling the virtues pool and klopp…..silly in my regards, the best team play the best football, all parts of the game, the pretty stuff and the not so pretty stuff, just look at fergies teams, they won more then their share of messy matches and knew the dark arts

    its called winning 😉

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    chelsea1967
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    Oh no idea he was also a Pool supporter. 97 points and runner up, I understand his pain.

    #1780768

    Kingo
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    No ’67, the bell ringer is John Portsmouth Football Club Westwood. Name changed by deed poll, though many would say the pfc should stand for pissed ****ing constantly.

    #1780773

    Kingo
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    Steveo, I have no problem with City per se. I note your comment about Ferguson’s team, and agree entirely. My problem is with teams being above the law, being helped to win, with very little punishment for offences that other teams would be hammered for. And then being force fed the view that these teams are what the beautiful game is all about. And for the record, ’67, I’ve been to Fratton Park a few thousand times, Vicarage Road about 50 times, and Anfield once, in the early 80s when Pompey played them in the league cup. I’m not sure that makes me a Liverpool fan.

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    MacGuffin
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    Regarding rule changes, a problem with the game is a yellow card isn’t really a punishment (although it does make red a possibility) and a red is often too harsh, having an impact on the result or at least on the style of the game which detracts the entertainment for fans.

    It may be time to consider the possibility of a Sin Bin. This makes it easier for refs to penalise cases that are not open and shut red cards. And the penalty can be more proportionate to the seriousness of the infringement and likely impact on result.

    AND the whole concept of penalty needs a rethink. The problem is it’s invariably a goal (not for United at the moment). It was fine back in the day when players were gentleman and a foul in the box was letting the side down by being ungentlemanly. But today with simulation, faster play and players looking for the penalty rather than trying to score, it’s a different ball game.

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    killyboye
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    @Mac, in rugby a yellow card is ten minutes off the pitch in the sin bin. The only player allowed to talk to the ref is the captain, unless the ref calls the player over and dissent over a refs decision allows the ref the option to move the ball forward ten yards. All these would clean up the game no end, all it would take is for FIFA to have the balls, excuse the pun, to implement such large rule changes.

    #1781984
    Blaze
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    End of the day whichever way you see it City were the deserved winners of last seasons EPL and are still the best team to watch by far.

    #1782003

    Kingo
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    Just a couple more things Steveo. I’m not an ‘it’, I’m a ‘he’. And I challenge your assertion that I come on here extolling the virtues of pool and Klopp.

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    MacGuffin
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    @killyboye – Exactly! and given how important football results are compared to rugby and how much more money and audience football has the authorities should manage the game better. But that’s always been the problem, how many of those running the sport have ever played or managed teams.

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