The Rebuild!!!

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    Ika
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    It feels to me we have gone full circle.

    I started supporting United in 1985 towards the end of Ron Atkinsons reign.

    Back then we had a shotgun approach to squad building with alot of players who lacked the attitude off the pitch who could be consistent enough to win us the title.

    Just like in the last 6 years these players could put a good cup run together win us a trophy and paper over the cracks to allow the board to continue making the same mistakes thinking their on the right path to glory.

    When Fergie came in he had alot of decisions to make, under Atkinson we had never finished outside the top 4 teams and in Fergies 1st full season we finished 2nd.

    Fergie then decided to be ruthless selling stalwarts like McGrath Stapleton Whiteside Olsen Strachan. This left the squad languishing in mid table and everyone calling for Fergie to be sacked.

    The new squad consisted of experience players like Robson and McClair and Fergies 1st wave of kids the young fergie fledglings remember Russel Beardsmore lol.

    Fergie then added the likes of big Pete Bruce Palister Parker Irwin ince over time until Catona became the final piece in the jigsaw that took us over the line.

    Once he rebuilt the foundations of this club he was able to bring in the class of 92 to continue his dominance and be the spine and heart of his team until 2013.

    This is what Ole is trying to recreate he has already ripped out the core experience players of this team who were always guaranteed to get us in top 6 but could never find the character to deliver us a title or even top 4.

    He like Fergie was after culling the squad in the 80s been left with a young team that will need experience and hungry mid 20s players added to the squad to give us the consistent performances needed to win us the title.

    Will it work for Ole like it did for Fergie who knows in Edward Fergie had someone just as clueless as Woodward but Fergie was strong and determined.

    My hope is that if anything Ole can restores the winning family culture of this club because in the last 6 years we have had way to many players and managers attitudes I just didnt like who were all about themselves rather than the club.

    Example Origi sits on bench for Liverpool all season only to come off the bench and score important goals that helped win the Champions League now hes back sitting on the bench happy to play his part without a complaint showing no ego.

    We used to have to have players like that one of them is our manager now and that’s what we need to get back to developing our own and scouting correctly.

    It took Fergie 5 years to build his empire and then others 5 years to destroy it lol.

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    Mike2005
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    Thanks for thr history Ika, great post.

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    happyhurling
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    Interesting post IKA. I s’pose the one thing Fergie didn’t have to deal with, which Ole does, is a generation of spoilt impatient keyboard warriors who judge a player after 10 games and call him tactically inept!

    In your opinion do you see him building a team that can compete for the title?

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    theMartial Art
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    Good post @ika

    1. Ole was the head of the youth for United.
    2. Went to Molde and had huge success knocking Rosenborg down from the top.
    3. Cardiff was already rubbish and Ole couldn’t save them. Fair enough.
    4. Went back to Molde and had success again winning titles.
    5. Where did Pep come from when he took over Barcelona? Youth team, straight to first team.
    6. City, which already had a good squad were not great first season with Pep. Pep got billions to spend on exactly the players he wanted. Why? Because the club believed in him. He was given time.
    7. Ole in total had much more experience than Pep when taking over one of the biggest clubs in the world.
    8. Ole is doing things right, but has been very unlucky with injuries this season. Pogba has barely played and Martial was out for a long time.
    9. Ole needs transfer-windows and backing from the board to get the right players.
    10. Rome wasn’t built in a day. We don’t say Ole out every time we lose. Be patient

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    Ika
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    Happy believe me fans were just as impatient in the late 80s as they’re now especially considering we hadn’t won the title since the 60s.

    Believe me Fergie was playing worse football than Ole is now but what you wasn’t seeing was the work he was doing off the pitch to get club back to the heights of Busby.

    As a 11 year old I was to immature to see this but my Dad had faith in Fergie all along because he could see what he was doing behind the scenes.

    I am now 43 and like how my Dad was when I was a 11. Right now I am looking at a manager getting rid of the experience deadwood and playing a team week in week out with with an average 6 to 7 players 22 or under and only 3 to 4 players over 25 and unless Mata plays none over 28. Although the team is so young they haven’t been beaten by a team in the top 7 and won most of them.

    Let’s compare that to Liverpool team only one player Trent 21 who is under 26. All of their players are at their peak and if you look at alot of those players when they were the same age as most of the players in our 1st 11 they just as inconsistent. Also Klopp had the same issues Ole is having in his 1st few seasons at Liverpool great results against the top 6 dropping silly points to the mid to lower table teams.

    For me the problem we have at present is that alot of fans are to young to remember how we built the foundations to become dominant in English football and only started supporting us during the domination because of their age.

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    It’s an interesting debate. Whilst I can see the resemblance in terms of the game plan, there are a couple of significant differences:

    1.) There weren’t the sugar-daddy club mentalities that are found in today’s culture: Ole will not be given 5 years to be successful because the owners want to be successful in terms of making money in the short term – will they back Ole if we keep missing Champions League for the next 2 to 3 years in the hope that we will win the league afterwards or would they prefer a manager to come in and get us into the CL immediately and get us the CL money?

    2.) Football is a business now and managers now need to deal with extravagant agent demands, moody footballers who get their d*cks sucked by their entourage on a daily basis and think everyone and everything owes them the world. When Fergie joined he had to deal with men – Ole has to deal with sweet 16 princesses (bar a couple of players who legitimately look like they want to fight for it).

    3.) Fergie had to deal with a singular mentality (British club with British players); nowadays Ole has to deal with players of different cultures and keep a very different team united even when not winning matches: he’s trying to change the mentality and make it British but will take quite a time – will he get it?

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    @Sympathy – There is another massively significant difference as well mate, Ferguson had already demonstrated his managerial credentials at Aberdeen over a number of years, had completely broken up the Old Firm monopoly and even won a European trophy.
    Ole has not done anything of any merit as a manager, and is basically a trainee still learning the ropes, simple as that.

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    redblood
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    2.) Football is a business now and managers now need to deal with extravagant agent demands, moody footballers who get their d*cks sucked by their entourage on a daily basis and think everyone and everything owes them the world. When Fergie joined he had to deal with men – Ole has to deal with sweet 16 princesses (bar a couple of players who legitimately look like they want to fight for it). Well done mate,ever since I remember reading your posts,this one is the only one where you talk/write fachhhssst-in the words of the fat Spanish waiter.

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    redblood
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    and unless Mata plays none over 28. Not counting DDG,you mean???

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