Thoughts on the Pogba transfer and for the remainder of the transfer window.

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    jm1502
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    Not sure why you’re asking me that hatters. I think, and have always thought, that we should buy quality every time, whatever the price, because buying shite is a false economy. But Obertan, Bebe, Owen and Bellion were all Ferguson buys and surely you’ll know by now that I think he made more bad buys than good ones. You’re forgetting Ralph Milne, William Prunier, Kleberson, Djemba-Djemba and a host of others mate.

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    JM1502 – Doesn’t matter how many bad signings he made though does it? For every Obertan there was a Ronaldo and I think people are generally happy with what Fergie delivered for United aren’t they?

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    hatters
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    @jm1502. It was a rhetorical question mate. My point, really, is that I prefer the club to go out and buy the best players instead of feeding us the “no value in the market” malarkey.

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    burge
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    Can anyone tell me what’s the deal with shirt sales? Having paid Utd silly money for the shirt deal, do Adidas get the entire revenue from the sale, or is it split between Utd and Adidas? If so, in what proportions? When talking about shirt sales we have to remember to take into account costs and VAT, so the gross figure is not that which accrues to Adidas and/or United, which I think (although am not certain) some of the figures bandied about on this thread tend to assume. I’d be interested to know if anyone has any information on this issue.

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    burge
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    To reply to myself, I’m told that the club takes about £10-15 of those shirts sold
    through the club, but not elsewhere. This constitutes their share of the retailer’s cut. So how many do they sell through the club? Presumably this means that they don’t get a cut of shirts sold on the High Street or abroad. So of the 800000 Ibra shirts rumoured to have been sold, not much goes to United. Which means that shirt sales will not pay for Pogba, in the event of him signing for United, in spite of the speculation that they will.

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    jm1502
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    Wasn’t talking about anything other than Ferguson’s transfer dealings happy but you just can’t stand anyone to say anything remotely negative about the man can you? Great man management skills, most of the time, including getting the best out of mediocrity, but more miss than hit in the transfer market. And I’d say for every Ronaldo, five Obertans, at least. But then, I’m not wearing rose tinted spectacles.

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    number_seven
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    Sean, most opposition fans (you included) felt our squad last season was the worst we’ve had for a number of years. Bar DDG, not a single one of our players would have made a PL XI. Transforming that squad into title winners with one window, regardless of how much money we’ve had to spend is a hell of a task. Chelsea have gone through about 12 managers since Roman came in. If having the most money meant you had the easiest job, Chelsea would have not needed to have gone through so many managers in that time. I don’t think Jose’s job is anywhere near as easy as you make out.

    Liverpool were one of the biggest spenders in the PL era and failed to win a single PL trophy. That’s not a dig. I’m just saying spending the most money is not always going to guarantee trophies. We’ve spent on a load of rubbish since Ferguson retired, much like Liverpool did through the years. Both gross and net spend, Liverpool were only marginally behind Utd until a couple of seasons ago.

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    I just don’t see the need to slate the most successful manager of all time, but that’s up to you. He bought players who he knew he could manage/turn into better players rather than the prima donnas you fancy. But yeah a lot of them didn’t work out. But football is about small numbers isn’t it? 11 players on the pitch, so it’s a small group of players at any given club. And to be a part of the most successful team you’d have to be pretty damn good because only a handful can make it.

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    jm1502
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    Always a balanced view I hope happy, always balanced.

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    theMartial Art
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    jm1502 – Are you really attempting to criticize Sir Alex’s 26 seasons transfer or what? Fergie left an everlasting legacy of unprecedented success and trophy-laden years behind him. For all that silverware there is so much more to Fergie, an empire built through the players he promoted & developed. Something that might never be repeated under any manager in the coming years.

    Just a question: Can you name one manager who has a better transfer record than Fergie?

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    MacGuffin
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    Not much to say about the Pogba transfer (if it happens). He would greatly improve the team and the risk of him not settling in is reduced to almost elimination given he’s been here before.

    As for price, its hard to comment since none of us know the commercial factors. Seems to me to be a big gamble. If he turns out to be a superstar then the fee is peanuts, just as the Ronnie fee was for RM. But if he doesn’t make it then we are looking at a Veron type flop. But its better to take the chance than plead no value like we have in the past.

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    MacGuffin
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    As for the Fergie debate, posters are missing how he went from big money transfers on proven quality to taking punts on potential. For me, the Glazer takeover, debt, Ronnie and SAF ego changed his gameplan. He believed if he placed lots of small bets on outsiders he could and would come up with a few winners.

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    MacGuffin
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    As for how much of a challenge it is for a manager to get success from blank cheques the answer is obvious. Success is the combination of managerial talent, time and money. If you have a lot of one you can get away with less of another. If you have all three you have everything going for you. Its no easy task for JM to bring success to United or Chelsea spending big but its a damn sight easier than trying to bring success to an Everton or Spurs without spending.

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    hatters
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    Can’t disagree with any of what TheMacGuffin has said on those three posts. All spot on.

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    homerjay540
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    Regarding how much we are spending, how about we wait until the transfer window closes. The net transfer spend could well be under £100 million. It all depends on how many out of Valencia/Darmian, Jones, Rojo, Fellaini and Mata Mourinho decides to sell (I have left out Schweinsteiger and Young as any fee we received for them would be minimal).

    #1140948

    jm1502
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    No one’s above criticism theMartial Art, including Ferguson and despite his unprecedented success. As for a better transfer record, how do you measure transfer records? Get back to me when you’ve come up with the formula.

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    Scholsey
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    I blame the Glazers for the transfer policy in the final Ferguson seasons. I could be wrong but it seemed like everything was done on a budget and RVP papered the cracks in his final season. We went from signing a top quality player as our main target to players who may step up and make it. If a young Rooney was on the market during the final 3 years of Ferguson’s reign we would have most likely missed out to Man City and Chelsea.

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