Tijuana farce.

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    Laughing Lenny
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    So far, about 10,000 migrants are making their way through Mexico from Honduras, Guatemala and El Salvador and are heading to Tijuana on the US border. Quite a few have already arrived and are sitting on top of the border fence looking at the San Diego police just further along the beach hoping for an opportunity to find a way into the promised land.
    Apparently there are countless thousands more on the way with the same idea.
    The question is, what should the US do about this? Should they open the door like the EU does and let them all in regardless? Or has Trump actually got a point about building his big wall?
    Don must be rubbing his hands in glee. It certainly justifies his actions. Doesn’t it?
    Over to you….
    Lenny.

    #1699085

    mufc
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    Why are they leaving Mexico?

    #1699088

    nine nine nine
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    What wall?😊

    #1699095
    steveosnakeeye
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    999 the wall isnt built but look deeper, it has been started from what i hear (though doubt Mexico are paying!)

    the issue is still releveant, X thousands of people are undertaking an incredible journey mainly via their own feet covering several countries to reach “freedom” in the USA, the question and subsequant questions are very relevant….

    1. why are they leaving their own countries?
    2. Why are they not stopping in Mexico or other countries?
    3. what (if anything should the USA do and how?

    thats a lot of people to just say, yeah sure, head on in, we will give you housing and jobs and all the things that come, dont worry about US citeizens or fires in California we have load of cash and spare rescources to just sort you all out for free, im sure none of you will bring crime or cause issues etc…..

    all this migration from anywhere to anywhere is bad, the people are desperate (mainly) there own countries are in the shit and full of violence and corruption and god knows what else but does that give them the right to go wherever? does that mean the USA HAVE to bend over and accept them (or any other country) when is to much to much? but if you try and sort their home countries out so they dont nee3d to move, how? war? etc?

    this and all other types are so hard top sort out, unless you do a Germany and let a million in no questions asked, and thats not worked well for Germany or their people, and has led to the rise of the far right in turn….

    i dont have the answers and i feel for each of these people that feel the need to undertake such a journey but what do we do?

    glib answers like what wall isnt enough

    #1699097
    steveosnakeeye
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    MUFC, they dont want mexico, its not much better if not worse than where they come from, the mexicans also dont want them including much of the population many of whom are kicking off when they now camp in those border areas, mexico is an unstable place at best ruled by drugs, cartels and corruption with so many dissapearing or dieing all the time, mass graves being found all the time, open your eyes man and look in to stuff your self and find out, i for one would not like to go to Mexico or certain parts at least….the world is an increasingly desperate and dangeropus place , sad in this era and age, but when the powers that be get invvolved it gets worse, so whats the answer?

    anyone???

    #1699112

    Laughing Lenny
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    Well put Steveo! You have to ask yourself why some of them haven’t bothered to head south instead? Not one! They at least speak a similar language down there. So what’s their overriding motivation to travel over 2000 miles to the US? One can only assume that they believe they have a better chance of financial support.
    Donald’s crazy dream suddenly doesn’t look that crazy anymore.

    #1699117
    Wonderfuel Gas
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    People just want opportunity though…they aren’t undertaking this march on a whim or for a bit of easy PR, it is out of a human desperation we can’t really comprehend with our comfortable lives in Europe. It’s no different from the African and Asian migrants trying to reach Europe.

    Drugs and the USA’s decades long paranoia with communism created the foundation for absolute hell for people in Central America….so maybe it’s time to give something back and start investing there?

    I spent a summer travelling Central America in the late 90s, it’s a beautiful, magical part of the world but at the same time mad, mental and very scary. I’d be interested to know how many people from Panama, Costa Rica and Belize are heading for the USA in this march. They just felt much safer and more “Americanised” even then.

    #1699120

    Laughing Lenny
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    “It’s no different from the African and Asian migrants trying to reach Europe”.
    Too true Gas, but Trump ain’t no Merklel.
    All in all, it’s just another brick in the wall…

    #1699133
    Wonderfuel Gas
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    Or you can have compassion for desperate people looking for a bit of hope in the world Lenny…thankfully none of us on here are ever likely to have to show such bravery and courage to find a safe life for our families. God forbid.

    I know exactly what you’re doing by the way….

    #1699156

    Laughing Lenny
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    Yeah yeah, be that as it may, I’m feeling quite musical this evening Gas and life is a cabaret ol’ chum. So let’s dance.. after all..
    All in all, it’s just another brick in Don’s wall.
    Lenny.

    #1699158
    Wonderfuel Gas
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    Your revelling in human misery says it all lenny…and your taste in music is shit.

    #1699159
    Luckydestiny
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    Gas I must disagree, pink floyd were great!

    #1699160

    Laughing Lenny
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    Allow me to correct you dear boy. I do not revel in human misery, I’m not Jewish and my taste in music is impeccable. Three strikes and you’re out.

    #1699161
    Wonderfuel Gas
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    Oh Leonard…it eeks out of your every syllable. Still waiting for a genuine football post from you on this football site. One day eh?

    Lucky…each to their own.

    #1699162

    nine nine nine
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    Stevo, What wall? was in answer to Lennys question “Or has Trump actually got a point about building his big wall?” I know bits of it have been built but I doubt it will ever get completed and in the unlikely event that it does get built I doubt even more that Mexico will pay for it.

    On the journey desperate people do desperate things it’s a tragedy and like you I don’t know what the answer is or where it will all end. I certainly wasn’t mocking their plight that’s not me at all.

    #1699170

    Laughing Lenny
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    You’ll have a long wait Gas. There are only five or six clubs still active on here and I have little interest in any of them. I did post a while ago on your page but was immediately suspected by someone to be Martial Art. It’s all far too incestuous on them for my liking.
    I prefer to occasionally ski off piste on here. Hope you don’t mind.
    Leo.

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    steveosnakeeye
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    999 i know you would care for the plight of these people mate, i was just saying offer a little more

    the question was does he have a point not can or will it be done?
    should anyone and thousands at a time just be let in or not, if not who does and doesnt…this is one of those lose lose situations and im glad we dont have such borders to worry about

    to much migration especially at one time means the country they are going to, no matter who, whether Germany the US or anyone else, would struggle, to house, feed, get them jobs, health care, they will create bad feeling amoong local peoples and with them come a criminal element that want to pray on them

    its crap were they are and better for them or they wouldnt try but is it fair on wherever they go?

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-46267678

    EXCERPT

    “Around 110,000 people enter the US daily through the crossing.
    In the Mexican border city of Tijuana residents held protests demanding the migrants leave the area,
    Mayor Juan Manuel Gastelum said on Friday he expected the number of migrants arriving in the city in the coming weeks to reach 10,000, warning the city was not prepared to handle the “avalanche”.”

    WHY ARE THE CARVANS HEADING FOR THE USA?
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-45951782

    #1699201

    nine nine nine
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    Stevo, in principle I think a Country has the right to decide who they do and don’t let in Australia obviously doesn’t need a wall but you won’t get in to live there if you don’t meet certain criteria.

    But you have to feel for immigrants who are so concerned about where they are living that they risk their lives crossing dangerous seas in vessels that are often not capable of getting them there safely or who march countless miles in such difficult conditions.

    Does Trump have the right to erect the wall? Yes he does imo although I don’t think it will ever be fully built but what the answer is for all these poor people I won’t pretend I’m clever enough to know but maybe as a world we all have to contribute more to these poor areas to try and ensure they can build a reasonable and safe life where they currently live.

    #1699204
    steveosnakeeye
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    my thoughts exactly 999
    its tragic but in this case i dont think its a Trumpism
    its a shitty world right enough

    #1699220
    Wonderfuel Gas
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    Obviously I don’t have the answers but I think it’s worth looking to the countries that (as far as I know) aren’t represented on the march. Im thinking Costa Rica and Panama maninly but also Belize. Don’t tend to have been caught up in the drugs trafficking trade, didn’t dabble with communism when America were looking for reds under the beds.

    I don’t know, there’s no research in to that theory other than a two minute google…but they felt the safest places I passed through. Belize and Costa Rica have developed pretty good tourism infrastructures too and Panama obviously has its canal. And hats.

    Honestly, they are such beautiful countries…some of the places I visited you half expected to see angels playing in the sea or up a mountain or over the sunset. But always always you never knew what was round the next corner or behind the last one. Proper shady places and I was lucky to be with good people looking out for me.

    Hopefully there is a way through the misery but I fear they’ve got their work cut out. Guns, drugs, gangs and power are very hard to defeat when they are so entrenched.

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