July 17, 2019 at 12:38 pm #1766831
Coutinho terrible as a CM? 🤔July 17, 2019 at 1:10 pm #1766840
Rob Fort Worth TXParticipant
Threeps, can you provide backup to your claim that Phil was terrible as CM? I can list dozens and dozens of games where he excelled as CM alongside a permutation of 2/3 of Hendo/Gini/Milner.
As for the assertion it would affect ‘transitional balance’ Phil’s defensive stats were pretty good with a 77% tackle success percentage. Not bad for a wee attacking mid.July 17, 2019 at 1:42 pm #1766857
In the midfield of a 433 yes he was terrible. He didn’t track back, ran into space where Mane or Firmino already where, took shots from stupid angles. As a left inside forward he was pretty good, but not as good as Mane. As a “no 10” probably falls somewhere between the two, but as we rarely play that way and I can’t see Klopp investing so much on a plan B there probably little point discussing it.
77% tackling success doesn’t really mean anything unless in context. How many did he attempt? What part of the pitch where they? What impact did it have on the game? Individual games do not interest me in discussion, I could list some of his terrible game and it would just turn into tit-for-tat. It’s about the whole season, and our midfield is performing far better than the one that Coutinho was part of.
Think I’ve said enough on what I think, and in a fair amount of detail,, so over to you lot. C’mon, let’s have detailed answers on how you would see it work, who would drop out, how the fullbacks would need to change if at all, how would it impact the roles of the front 3 and their movements?July 17, 2019 at 1:52 pm #1766863
I cant believe arsenal have picked up everton soares so cheap. He is gonna be amazing for them alongside their current top two. Emery is using the klopp blueprint. Everton soares is an amazing talent. Absolute snip at 36mill. Cant believe we werent in for himJuly 17, 2019 at 1:55 pm #1766864
where have you heard this mate? heard we were interested but not seen anything about actually getting him?!July 17, 2019 at 2:09 pm #1766870
I would like to see a midfield three with Oxlade and Coutinho with Fabinho holding… Instead of the engine, go for some creativity. That’s where he could slot in and then provide cover for Mane or Salah.July 17, 2019 at 2:18 pm #1766871
But NB that would be a complete shift of tactic, and after such a successful season is that really wise? A team needs balance, and sure you can have a super creative midfield, but you must balance it out somewhere.July 17, 2019 at 3:12 pm #1766891
13/14 season Coutinho played left of the diamond midfield, probably the deepest midfield position he ever played for us and was very good at it, we had a fantastic season that year playing some of the best football I’ve ever had the pleasure of watching a Liverpool team play.
When Klopp took over he generally played wide left of the forward three, it was really only when Salah arrived and Mane moved left that we started to see Coutinho play in a more central attacking midfield position, although he also did play left.
For the half a season he played there, he played the finest football of his career and this Liverpool team really started to purr.
We still had issues in defence and goalkeeping which were sorted out after Coutinho left.
This narrative that Coutinho was a terrible midfielder is simply a rewriting of history. Was he as solid as Wijnaldum? Of course not, they’re 2 different kinds of players but he certainly was much more creative and scored more.
Us and City play very similar football the major difference being in midfield.
We play a 6 and two 8s slightly further forward (Fabinho, Hendo, Wij) which gives us a very solid midfield albeit not too creatives while City
play a 6 and two 10s (Fernandinho, Silva, De Bruyne) which offers them much more attacking threat and ability to break down stubborn defences more readily.
The suggestion that Coutinho couldn’t fit in our midfield is ridiculous.
Having said all this I don’t think he’ll join.
He’ll prob end up at PSG.July 17, 2019 at 4:49 pm #1766915
I agree, we need balance but we also need a different option for those pesky sides that play with 11 men behind the ball. I’m not saying we should shift out Gini, Milner and Henderson. I’m a big fan of the engine room but having options available for more creativity would be nice.July 17, 2019 at 4:54 pm #1766916
Coutinho is a player who does brilliant things on the pitch, but I posted a few stats when he left which showed Liverpool had a better points return when he was absent through injury, true or feigned. In fact when he left we beat City 4-1, VVD was looking from the stands so in effect we had the same defence with issues in that match. He was hampering us even if he dazzled everyone when he had the ball. The Ox started scoring some screamers just as he left, if he was still around instead of venturing forward and taking shots he would have squared it to Phil. He scored more because his team mates systematically looked to pass to him, but we can’t expect the same kind of impact from our current midfielders because they plug any gap left when Robbo and Trent go forward. In fact in some matches Wijnaldum was virtually playing like the third centre back.July 17, 2019 at 5:56 pm #1766922
I would still rather take Dembele, he would fit better in with the current tactics but like I’ve stated before I would take Koulibaly and let Lovren leave for Milan if I was boss.July 17, 2019 at 6:15 pm #1766925
Barca are trying to get Neymar back which means they’ll have to offload either Coutinho or Dembele, possibly both.
Offload could mean loan out also.
This is where we could possibly come in.
The transfer merrygoround has just begun but with the sales of Joao Felix and the imminent deal for De Ligt it’s likely to speed up. While the rest of Europe have until the end of Aug we only have circa 3 weeks to do anything we need/want.July 17, 2019 at 6:59 pm #1766940
36 mil for the Brazilian Soares and we can not buy even him!!!
What is gping on at the club?? They beleive that we can win the EPL with transfers?? Probalby the yankeew and the others are satisfied but we are not with 2nd place…July 17, 2019 at 8:18 pm #1766958
Pinezes, wow that is a lack of confidence in people who just won us the CL in front of teams such as Real, Barca, City, Juve, Psg to name a few.
After this, I have 100% trust in their decisions.July 17, 2019 at 11:28 pm #1766972
Bringing Coutinho back would be daft. He’s 27 now. It’s not an FSG policy to bring a player of that age in. He’s been at the club and left to go to a better place, in his opinion. He wasn’t willing to stay with the project Klopp had started.
Bringing back a player to a club usually doesn’t work…. in most cases…. and is a risk.
He usually ends up injured for 6-8 weeks each season approx.
Surely, there’s smarter moves than this?July 17, 2019 at 11:43 pm #1766973
Rob Fort Worth TXParticipant
Van Dijk was 27 when we bought him.July 18, 2019 at 4:42 am #1766978
You can have and when you see the result you can have more.July 18, 2019 at 6:15 am #1766979
We aren’t going to re-sign him so we might as well discuss something else. The argument can also be made about how re-signing players hasn’t worked in the past. My Father used to tell me about how Rush wasn’t the same player he was when he returned. Coutinho has been awful the past season and a half and who can say we’ll be getting anywhere near the same player given the battering his confidence would have taken. Now we play a different style where the ball goes out wide a lot more. Where exactly is Coutinho’s game going to fit in? This argument about breaking down defences is nonsense. We finished with 97 points. Playing the smaller teams wasn’t the issue. We had too many draws against the top 6 sides and would have won the league if we had picked up a draw against City in our only defeat of the season.July 18, 2019 at 7:22 am #1766984
Good post Razor, and agree maybe we should all move on. Having said that I will admit I was maybe a little harsh by saying he is terrible as a CM as it’s been pointed out that in the past he wasn’t. What I should of said was I believe he would be terrible in the current Liverpool tactic which has developed since he played for us. Most of the suggestions about how to integrate him would result in a change of tactics and style which I would be against given the season we just had.
You are spot on regarding the breaking down defence comment, it’s a lazy argument that often gets thrown around probably based on performances a few years ago but made a mockery by the results of last season.July 18, 2019 at 8:06 am #1766989
Threeps, what point I am missing??? I am definitely not missing anything, it is you who cannot understand the fairly obvious advantage of signing a top attacker
Being in 5 competitions, there will be enough games to accommodate an extra top attacker. Take into account injuries, suspensions, loss of form and fatigue, and this signing makes even more sense.
Sure, maybe one of the strikers may a bit unhappy at not playing every game, but not that unhappy that they will want to leave the club, especially if we are in a strong position win the league or CL. Look at how Origi handled it.
Someone on here gave the example how City can accommodate 5 top attackers, and keep them all relatively happy, and Klopp can easily do this also, with his excellent management and motivational skills.
If we want to increase our chances of winning the league next season, we need to sign a top attacker, simple as that (and it’s not Cornet)
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