October 17, 2019 at 4:02 pm #1791862
Bingo I get your point but for the record I can see us spending 100m or so on a player maybe but not if that player wants 500k+ on wages that cancels out the likes of Mbappe. Yes we spent big on Virgil and Alison but none of them earns more than 300k basic wage before bonuses. Mbappe and similar will want that at least. Jordan Sancho is a more likely target I think and I think his wages are already in the 100k+ range already with Dortmund.October 17, 2019 at 4:36 pm #1791872
500k wages for the image rights of Mbappe might be bargain considering how talented he is, could be the player that walks away with the ballon d’or every year.
But I think you are right Sancho is more likely but you got to admit that he is a class above the likes of Traore…
Thank God for Trent though, he is at that level and will be a superstar in the future, I can see him taking the armband in a few years of Henderson.October 17, 2019 at 6:46 pm #1791889
Well Bingo it seems there is a #Mbappe2020 campaign by some Liverpool fans so who knows? Especially if we seal the Nike deal im sure those rumours will only get more intense even if nothing ever happens of it. But I say carry on as we are, buying potential and then developing them. Looking at VVD and Allison I think the high price we paid for them was because 1. there is a lack of cheap talent in CB and GK areas and 2. because VVD and Allison fit a specific way Klopp wanted players to play, ie highly efficient ball-carrying defending players.
I don’t think the like of Mbappe or even Sancho as much as I would like it to because I think there are actually lots of cheaper attacking talent than at CB and GK positions.
For example, the two Asian forwards who play for RB Salzburg could be got for less than Mbappe and overtime under Klopp would provide excellent value just as Klopp did with Ballon dor nominee Mane has provided. Strange as it seems I remeber when we bought Mane some fans were grumbling about Mane, he only plays for half of the season, things like that and now look at him. Its a tough one sometimes I think yeah go out and spend the big bucks but sometimes I also think only do it if we really need to like with VVD and Alisson. Klopp is such a good coach that buying Marquee players doesn’t matter as much as it used to.October 17, 2019 at 9:59 pm #1791927
Its not just about Klopp being a good coach that gets the best out of his players, its about the mentality of our targets as well, take for example the Fekir deal… Now its coming out what actually happened with the player behaving very weirdly before the deal was signed, demanding more money for his brother or agent. Refusing to talk to the squad…
Sancho would fit right in, I reckon Mbappe would to the same, the lesser players like Traore do not have the mentality we are looking for. They don’t have the mentality any of the big clubs are looking for. Thats why they are a dime a dozen and much cheaper than what we are aiming for.October 18, 2019 at 11:34 am #1792014
Sancho was a real diva when he left City. Given how we dealt with Bobby Duncan I can’t see him fitting in as you’ve suggested. Don’t get me wrong, I’d love him as a signing, but I can’t see it happening. Mbappe said no to us when we were in for him and reportedly willing to pay in excess of 100mil for him. Klopp has stated before that he only wants players that are committed to the project from the start to the end. As nice a man as Klopp may seem he can be really ruthless when it comes down to it. I don’t know too much about the Coutinho situation but from the reports I’ve seen, it was Klopp that said no to the deal.
I don’t know if Traore’s mentality would factor in but I wouldn’t want him for other reasons and I agree we need to look higher than that at this stage. We have Shaq who is a far superior player and can’t get a game and a really promising youngster in Elliot. Div also looks like he’s improving despite not being as prolific yet this time out. Not to mention, RB Salzburg are a f*cking goal machine and the 2 boys we’ve been touting on here are a big reason for that. Klopp did wonders with Kagawa so who knows what he could do with these boys. Both are of similar age to Traore and are superior players in my opinion.October 18, 2019 at 5:03 pm #1792092
Bingo yes youre right character is a very important issue, I agree, I was a little dumbfounded when Klopp got rid of Sakho and then fast-forward we are getting smashed by Tottenham at Wembly 4-1. I didn’t get it properly at the time and thought Klopp was being rash, but now I see clearly that he was right to sideline Sakho, for the good of the team spirit and professionalism.
Razor, I hope that we can get those two Salzburg forwards, everyone is going on about the Norwegian 19-year-old striker but its the two Asian lads that do it for me, We should be able to get the two lads for 60m shouldn’t we?October 18, 2019 at 5:07 pm #1792093
From the guardain:
Perhaps it is just to spice up the buildup to Sunday’s match, but Sky are reporting that Manchester United will make a serious attempt to sign Emre Can in January. Can has hardly played for Juventus this season and was furious after being left out of their Champions League squad. On the up side, all that spare time has allowed him to pick some autumn essentials:October 18, 2019 at 5:11 pm #1792094
From the Guardian:
Perhaps it is just to spice up the buildup to Sunday’s match, but Sky are reporting that Manchester United will make a serious attempt to sign Emre Can in January. Can has hardly played for Juventus this season and was furious after being left out of their Champions League squad. On the up side, all that spare time has allowed him to pick some autumn essentials:
I wouldn’t mind if Emre went to United, he wasn’t exactly amazing, he has always been in ‘potential mode’ and the fact that he hasnt been able to be a success ant Liverpool or Juventus means he is perfect for a team like United.October 18, 2019 at 6:30 pm #1792106
Sakho had potential and I do wonder what could have been if he had been allowed to play in the UEFA cup final… That incident seriously derailed his career and most of the problems he caused behind the scenes can be traced to what happened there.
One incident or one wrong decision like the one Can took have their effect, you need to roll with it and having Klopp there making the tough decisions like the one with Sakho makes a difference.
I still think the club could have handled the Sakho scenario better but the club got the best out of Can before he left and it makes such a perfect cautionary tale.
Razor… Sancho did not go public with his dispute like Duncan did.October 18, 2019 at 7:19 pm #1792109
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NB, I guess it’s like most ‘life decisions’ that have a little risk to them. Some pan out and some don’t. I also think Karma plays a little cameo role too!October 19, 2019 at 12:26 am #1792119
I would certainly hope 60mil would be enough to land those guys. I’d love to see either of them in our colours. Correct if I’m wrong, I believe Rangnick is the Sporting Director there and he can be a real arsehole when it comes to signings and he was the same cunt who refused to let us take keita until the buyout clause was activated if memory serves. If he’s the one we’d be dealing with, there’s no telling how much those boys would cost.October 19, 2019 at 12:40 am #1792120
Bingo I believed he skipped training after being left out of a pre season tour and then refused a new contract which was why they let him go without any major clauses. Yes, Duncan was a twat who went public but Sancho wasn’t much better at the time.
I said in the other thread that I respected Can for seeing out his contract with minimum fuss. However, if there’s 1 thing that’s bloody unforgivable it’s pulling on a manure Jersey after being a player with us. Owen will always be a shitter in my eyes after that. In all fairness it’s his choice where he goes but I won’t wish him badly until he joins united.
As for the bit on Sakho, I was gutted at the time but looking back he was asking for it with 1 offence after another. I think Klopp was looking for him to be a real leader and he ended up just monkeying around during that pre season. Not to mention that idiotic goal celebration when he was still on loan from us.October 19, 2019 at 1:11 pm #1792193
Big difference in going public and stating that the club is ruining the mental health of said player and forcing through a move after getting snubbed by a club IMHO.October 19, 2019 at 2:19 pm #1792205
Fair enough.October 21, 2019 at 5:24 pm #1792831
Sanchos disciplinary problems have continued at Dortmund with them frequently fining him. I know he’s young but I can’t see Klopp bringing someone in who’s problematic.
Recent weeks news has come out that part of the reason why we didn’t go through with Fekir was because at the eleventh hour he started demanding payments for his brother etc.
Klopp puts a lot of weight on a players character as much as his ability.October 21, 2019 at 6:58 pm #1792848
With Fekir, he’s a grown man. But Sancho is still a kid.
If it’s only for turning up late to training… I think that’s something that could be fixed.
He’ll grow out of it.October 22, 2019 at 8:48 am #1792966
October 22, 2019 at 1:43 pm #1793076
The thing is I just don’t see us going for a b-rated player with b-rated potential, sure Sancho has had some problems but this latest thing is not so serious. He is coming back late after international duty, that has happened a lot of times for a lot of players.
I reckon Sancho is on the radar and so is Dembele, Martin Odegaard as well, Vilnicius is another player Klopp admires so every rumour I hear about the likes of Traore is taken with a pinch of salt. I just don’t see it happening… Also that kid at Bayern Leverkusen
The thing is that last summers window was always going to be a small window for us but next summer could be our biggest one ever, the finances are there and there will be open spots in the team, as I don’t see Lallana signing another contract.
We are in the best shape of every team in Europe, we got the strongest nucleus of players, the strongest spine and it looks like its impossible to break that spine down.November 1, 2019 at 6:34 am #1795778
Since Shaqiri and Keita suffer from injuries very often Klopp must bring back at Anfield Harry Wilson. We can not rely on both of them and we need good back up.November 1, 2019 at 9:05 am #1795807
There’s a reason Harry Wilson is out on loan. He isn’t good enough to make the grade at Anfield.
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