Uefa furious at 11 major clubs signing up to breakaway plans

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    mufc
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    Will this really happen?

    #1944432

    nine nine nine
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    “The Premier League have been joined by UEFA and other top leagues in Europe in condemning proposals of a European Super League. Reports claim an announcement will be made on Sunday night that the Big Six teams in England have signed letters intending to join the new proposed league.

    Current league leaders Manchester City have agreed to the proposal along with Manchester United, Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool and Tottenham.

    The Mail claim the league represents an American takeover of elite European club football.

    Real Madrid president Florentino Perez is said to be the chairman, with Liverpool owner John W. Henry, Arsenal owner Stan Kroenke and United owner Joel Glazer as vice-chairmen.

    An announcement is expected at 9.30pm on Sunday evening. Express 17/4”

    Whose driving this?

    It’s wrong,wrong,wrong ultimately a European Super League was always likely to happen but not at the expense of Domestic Leagues and not done without the cooperation with UEFA and the various Leagues. It should not be done on the basis of a declaration of UDI.

    I’m disgusted with Chelsea’s involvement this is fraught with massive problems for the whole of football.

    #1944443
    Blueowner
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    Is this going to happen as the rumors are very strong, what’s going to happen to the premier league, it will lose massive financial backing, the major interest would be in this Super league??. I hope it rather stays as it is now.

    #1944510
    foxyfoxes
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    pretty sure all they are proposing is that they will only play in their own league during the week, instead of CL. They would continue to play the Premier League games at weekends. I agree it’s not good, but maybe UEFA need to step up and come up with a compromise?

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    Im not a fan on the Super League concept though the FA, UEFA and FIFA only have themselves to blame as they’ve allowed wealthy owners to come in and buy clubs and manipulate the football scene for 2 decades now (since Abramovich first took over Chelsea) and not do anything meaningful about it (FFP is an absolute joke and City proved it last year). In reality, all entities moaning about it have been doing the same thing for ages (UEFA were in fact planning a new BS format of the Champions League for 2024 which was basically like the Super League but on a smaller format).

    With that said, the solution to this is quite simple:

    – Ban SL clubs and players from all other competitions permanently.

    – Ban player transfers to and from SL clubs

    The clubs in the SL will die out over time without being able to buy any players from any other clubs. Imagine these teams only buying players from one another and also relying solely on their academies (literally even 14 or 1t year old prodigies can’t be brought in).

    To be honest, after this, if I were FIFA, I’d also see how to move club ownership into requiring 51% to not be at external parties and being owned by official football clubs (basically the 50+1 rule of Germany) across the board.

    #1944524

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    Horrific by all clubs involved. As a United fan I’m disgusted by the cowardice of these clubs. Gary Neville was 100% correct, Liverpool and United should be held to the fire over this especially. The two biggest clubs in the land, one’s history centred in the working people and Never Walking Alone, the other’s story rising from the ashes of a plane crash in Munich, rebuilding the community and team to top Europe. Now, polluted by American owners and greedy corporations. It’s turned football into the NFL; a winner at the end and no repercussions for where you finish otherwise.

    Boycott it. Boycott the clubs. I’ll go watch honest clubs like Leicester, West Ham, Southampton or the Scottish League.

    #1944542

    nine nine nine
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    Let’s remember the Premier League was founded as the FA Premier League on 20 February 1992 following the decision of clubs in the Football League First Division to break away from the Football League, founded in 1888, and take advantage of a lucrative television rights deal.

    Following the statement being released now is the time to take a step back and for all interested parties to sit down and sensibly find a way forward.

    I don’t believe that the Club’s will go ahead with this without coming to some sort of agreement with their domestic League or that it is to the benefit of all those domestic Leagues to ban their major Clubs this is not just a PL problem it is a problem that effects all the major European Leagues.

    Surely the threat of expulsion from domestic leagues and International competition (for the players) is enough to stop this ever getting off the ground. The question is how realistic that threat is. I suspect the PL would find it extremely difficult to carry through the threat and see the biggest 6 sides drop out. The same applies to La Liga and Serie A without the 3 major Clubs in each competition.

    What is required now is cool heads and lots of discussion.

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    @nine nine nine – on a short-term basis, yes definitely the PL will struggle but, over time, things will be back to normal as new clubs start to take up the mantle: clubs like Everton, West Ham, Leicester, etc. will become league winners/leaders and compete in the CL and, eventually, with the financial boost from all of the above, they’ll have the financial muscle to buy top players, etc. and establish themselves as the new elite of English football.

    What will happen for a while which will not be good for English clubs will be that German and French teams (basically Bayern, PSG and Dortmund) will rule world football for a few years until the other English clubs catch up.

    In all honesty, I have no interest in watching United play top teams week in week out; will ruin the excitement of big matches.

    #1944583

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    I’m keeping an open mind on this. FA and Uefa have let standard slip in terms of refereeing. Drawing of lines is just a major disincentive for fans to watch football, and yes Liverpool benefited from that when a Spurs goal was chalked off. UEFA isn’t spotless also, just watch Real scoring a goal after Mane is fouled, and ref blowing the HT whistle for their game just as Muriel of Atalanta was alone in front of Courtois and was preparing to pull the trigger. Real will be part of the Super league if it comes to fruition but will not be allowed to score two offside goals by 2 yeards like they did agaisnt Bayern.

    Carra and Neville have a personal interest in this at the PL is their bread and butter. They also benefit from an elitist system as Sky sports will never appoint ex Bradford or Scunthorpe players on their regular panel.

    Not saying I’m fully backing this initiative but FA and UEFA have to clean their house before crying wolf.

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    #1944612

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    @captkirk, I understand what you’re saying, but i don’t fully agree. Yes, ref’s have to be held accountable, especially against the big teams. We are all aware of the classic favouritism of the Real Madrid’s, United of Fergie, UEFA-lona etc. Shifting to a European Super League does nothing to rectify that. Sky and it’s pundits have a personal interest in the PL of course, but that’s because they have all played or managed in the PL – there’s nothing wrong with that. The reason they get hired by Sky is they were the best, or some of the best at what they did. Who is going to listen to Bradford’s Ashley Ward talk about what the forwards need to add to be title contenders? The first thing people would say is: “what would you know about that?” The reason we listen to the likes of Keane, Neville, Carragher & co is that they’ve competed and won at the top level. The problems with shifting the league will be that smaller clubs and leagues will suffer as a result.

    The beauty of the current league system, or a part of that beauty, is in the stories it presents. How many times have we watched a “blockbuster game” (United vs City, Real vs Athletico etc.) and it’s been a dull, cagey affair? When i think of the classic PL games, i think of Macheda’s last minute winner against Aston Villa, I think of Crystal Palace’s comeback to break Liverpool’s hold on a first title, I think of Chelsea’s historic champions league win and how it kept Spurs out of the champions league despite finishing 4th – I think of the hope I had as a United fan that QPR could hold off City for one more minute, before Aguero broke our hearts. Remember the constant chat we had in Leicester’s title charge? The shift from “unlikely leaders” – “they can’t really do it, can they?” – “Holy ****, this is really happening!”. That’s all gone if this goes ahead. This league would leave teams just like the NFL – if i’m bottom of the league and haven’t won a game all year, then just phone it in and play the kids – not like they can do anything to us anyway…

    #1944630

    homerjay540
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    Disgusted by it

    #1944642

    mufc
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    Betis have updated the La Liga table on their website without Barca, Real and Atletico.

    #1944645
    threeps
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    Potentially the final nail in the coffin for my interest in football, and there’s been a fair few nails hammered in the last few years!

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    Alfie07
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    Isn’t this instead of the Champions League? Teams will still play in their domestic leagues.

    The closed competition is not sport, but this is the first iteration. They have set up a rival organisation to run a European competition, so if more clubs join them they may enhance the competition to have other teams in it. The initial league will be 15 regular teams and five new teams each year. They may enhance that to have two comps etc.

    UEFA are just upset as it takes money away from them.

    Not sure why the PM is upset, or the PL. Clubs still want to play in domestic leagues. I think a lot of falsehoods have been spread so far and the devil will be in the detail, are are yet to be announced.

    #1944683

    mufc
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    Will the games be played every week or spread out?

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    Wonder what the reaction of the Liverpool players will be tonight? They’re the first SL team to play after the announcement so will be interesting to see whether the players themselves might do some kind of protest?

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    Alfie07
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    The games are spread out, midweek, throughout the season.

    Initial proposal are two leagues of 10 teams, play home and away, top three go through, next two from each league play off for a place in the Qtr’s. Then two legged knock outs until the final which is the only weekend fixture.

    Had UEFA announced this as a shake up to the existing CL format I cannot see such a fuss being made.

    The ‘closed comp’ is silly, and teams need a clear path to qualify for it. Unfortunately due to politics in european football you can’t be a member of this and the ECA (ECA clubs play in Europa and Champions League), so it’s a closed shop initially by default.

    It’s clearly come from greed, but so did expanding the CL and the breakaway PL.

    I think more details are required.

    #1944712

    nine nine nine
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    FIFA disapprove of a “Closed European breakaway Super League” but call for “harmonised way forward”. SSN’s

    #1944713

    nine nine nine
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    Alfie @12:41 & 1:45pm. Spot on Alfie with both posts.

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