Uefa furious at 11 major clubs signing up to breakaway plans

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    nine nine nine
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    Sympathy for the Devils @ 8:44am Hi mate, It’s not the intention of any of the 12 European Clubs involved in the Super League to leave their domestic Leagues currently they are being threatened with being kicked out of their domestic Leagues and I suspect some of this is posturing because stripping the top teams out of the major European Leagues won’t help the League’s.

    Unfortunately I think your summary of things working out for those that are left is pretty optimistic because the TV companies won’t pay the monies they have been paying for what they will see as an inferior product and their revenues will drop dramatically and the same will happen with the CL stripped of its best teams.

    Let’s hope it doesn’t come to that. Cheers 9’s

    #1944760

    captkirk
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    Fair points Roonshine, but I’m not condemning the bunch of twelve right now until they clarify why they want a breakaway league and whether they are completely insensitive to the effects this might have on clubs like Leicester or West-Ham who are in the running for the CL places.
    I’ve been following the excesses of the UEFA officials for some time now and it’s absolutely disgusting that for example Blatter specifically asked for his ice cube to be made from Perrier water when he was in SA for the world cup and if I’m not mistaken Infantino was wined and dined by the Man City hierarchy just recently. These powerful offcials are on their pedestal largely because of the worldwide audience brought on a platter by the twelve teams that want to break away.
    There is a narrative on top of that from the UEFA that these teams are the big bad wolves and their success should be curbed, by giving them a handicap like horses. That’s what Platini tried to do. A bit hypocritical, live like a prince with the help of the popularity of the big clubs, and demean them at the same time. That’s a kick in their backside and not unwarranted IMO.

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    Zico
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    Good post Alfie.

    #1944936

    Roonshine
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    A few quotes from the lovely president of Real Madrid, Florentino Perez… just to brighten up your morning…

    “The European Club Association says they’ve lost five billion euros. At Real Madrid we had a budget of 800 million euros and we finished with 700m. This year instead of 900m, let’s see if we get 600m. In two seasons Real Madrid have lost 400m.”

    “When you have no income other than TV money, the best way to increase revenue is to have more attractive games that fans from all over the world can see. So we came to a conclusion that instead of doing the Champions League we would do a Super League and we would be able to alleviate what was lost.”

    “There are a lot of games of poor quality. Barcelona-Manchester United is more entertaining than Manchester United against a more modest team. What does the whole world want?

    “We have fans all over the world and that’s what makes money, other competitions don’t make money, and that money is for everyone. It’s a pyramid. If those of us at the top have money… But if it’s not generated then it doesn’t exist.”

    “Real Madrid, Manchester City and Chelsea will not be banned from the Champions League or domestic leagues. Impossible, I can assure you of that. 100 per cent, it won’t happen, the law protects us. This is impossible.”

    “If young people say football matches are too long, maybe it’s because that match isn’t too interesting or maybe we have to shorten the length of matches.”

    #1944941
    Wonderfuel Gas
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    maybe there are too many players on the pitch for young people to concentrate and enjoy whats going on too, eh florentine?

    why not turn football in to something akin to the guinness soccer sixes tournament? theres one for older posters.

    #1944949
    Wonderfuel Gas
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    be very interested to know where the real money is coming from to fund this. the amount jp morgan are investing just does not add up.

    my guess is they have a major broadcaster lined up backing the project and you dont have to be a genius to look at jeff bezos and amazon.

    #1944960
    Alfie07
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    You could well be right, WG. It would need a backer and that adds up. Especially given the vitriol Sky and BT Sports are throwing at it.

    #1944980
    Wonderfuel Gas
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    that is the irony isnt it alfie…or is that hypocrisy? to hear uefa, sky and the premier league cry arsing about it as if they some kinds of paragons on virtue.

    they are just upset because they havent put the plan in to place themselves and are not in on it. this is the natural progression from what they plotted and carved up in the early 90s.

    think it stinks myself and is probably the death knell for me in terms of following united. but are people really as surprised as they are making out?

    #1945010

    mufc
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    Not surprised, they’ve been talking about this league for 20 years.

    #1945019

    teck
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    The premier league will continue to thrive even with a closed super league (its not totally closed).

    The money will be bigger than ever. Everyone will have more. That includes the clubs that opposed the use of 5 substitutes and still got relegated anyway.

    The clubs in the SL should be allowed to have massive squads that will perform in both the SL and the domestic leagues, creating performances that delight their supporters and attract ever more viewers.

    The women’s game will be enhanced if the SL does what it says it will cos now, nobody gives a shit.

    As long as grassroots football and national organisations continue to get support, there’s nothing wrong with a SL.

    So in the future, every other club becomes a ‘feeder club’. Oh wait a minute….

    #1945053
    Wonderfuel Gas
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    gut feeling says this wont get off the ground. main reason is they have come up with an absolute dogs dinner of a product offer that will be a very hard sell to their global television audience in the long run. as all of the clubs know, monetising their global appeal is virtually impossible.

    second reason is that it has been sussed on all four corners of the earth as a greed driven cash grab by cloven hooved gargoyles and they will struggle to whip up any enthusiasm for it.

    i do agree that football needs a new impetus, something fresh that chimes with younger audiences but this absolute carbunkle of an idea is not it.

    if it does go ahead you will see games played at pre season pace in half empty stadiums…there will be no iconic, goose bump moments remembered for generations.

    #1945096
    Alfie07
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    The lack of qualifying for the SL will ultimately kill it off. Half of the excitement of european football is the fact you don’t know if you will be in it the following year – that is all gone.

    #1945142

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    Gas it does not have to be Bezoz and Amazon… Facebook wanted to provide a platform for live games… SKY is dead, thank god for that… Never liked them, they have bullied the clubs for too long and its coming back to bite them…

    About the format itself, like a lot of fans are complaining about no relegation but lets think for a second, when was the last time a big club in Europe got relegated…

    Besides Leeds and Juventus, one got relegated because of money issues and the other because of corruption and drugs… Apart from those two clubs I can´t remember a single big club that has been relegated in the last 30 years, so why bother with relegation actually?

    Why not just have a system like the NBA with playoffs, especially if there are more clubs gonna participate, I can imagine that for a smaller club that is not a founding member it would make their season to get a invite to the new Super League…

    The main thing though that I like about this project is the focus on women´s football, cause as things are there is no way for women to ever get the same salary… I would love it if my daughters or potential granddaughters had a fair shot… Like there is no way UEFA or FIFA can oppose it, not unless they wanna fight against women´s football…

    Cause the way I see it is that if the new Super League actually allocates a significant portion of their funding towards the women´s Super League it will revolutionise the game… In the last thirty years there has been zero progress made by both UEFA and FIFA..!

    For me they have dropped the ball so many times I simple want them out, its a toxic relationship where those two dictate every term, they dictate how much money you get, how many games you play, when internationals are and they do all of their decision making without bothering to talk to you about it… Its not a working environment that is healthy, its only survived so long because of its monopoly and when that gets under threat out come the threats…

    You do as we tell you to do or we ban you, ban you from your profession, ban you from playing from your country etc… They are not thinking about the fans or the game, the only thing they care about is protecting their monopoly on the sport, so fuck´em!

    #1945171
    the specialone
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    Been long since I have posted anything on the general page.I think this topic certainly should spark many debates.
    My view on this –

    It’s wrong, it’s unjust, it’s Unfair and most of all it’s the height of unfair competition.But I’ll ask you something ,isn’t football unfair itself?This is just going into a much deeper tangent sure but it still not fair is it?

    Someone mentioned earlier on this thread,It is FIFA and UEFA INFACT that have messed up big time along the way allowing clubs to be bought over by oligarchs.Introducing NameSake FFP rules just as a smokescreen that anyone can bypass.How can you have one team spending hundreds of millions of pounds in some cases even a billion more than the other competing in the same league?Is that Fair?The system is broken.

    Don’t think these so called super league founders don’t know what they’re doing.This is a well thought out move and I think they will have the ruthlessness to see it through.Because that is what happens when you give the controll and power of a club supported by millions globally to a greedy few.
    And today FIFA AND UEFA are crying wolf?Why did they allow that to happen then?

    My personal view?As a gooner –

    I am originally against it for obvious reasons even though in hindsight this would benefit our club enormously in a financial sense.
    It kills competition,what would be the purpose of the PL.Say about two teams fight for the title?What do the rest do.Avoid relegation that it?

    However,since football has not been a fair sport itself.I just very well maybe in favour of it.
    Is it wrong?Is it Unfair?Is it Self Centred to want this.
    Yes all of the above.
    But I don’t really care about any of this, because as I mentioned how could you ever have allowed clubs to spend hundreds of millions over others?That by no means is fair competition is it.

    I will say it again – I am against it.Howver,I want the people in charge to use this as an opportunity to revamp the entire system to make the competition genuinely fair where a West Ham,wolves,Lecister Can win the title.
    If they don’t do that, we might as well go forward with this proposal!

    #1945174
    the specialone
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    Another note,I see all around the world people saying how horrible these supposed founding Super league members are who are basically the clubs.
    Let me just tell you,this is solely down to the owners of those respective clubs.
    Most of them Yank owners who have not consulted their managers/staff/fans no-one who all are in fact against it even though it would actually benefit the club as a whole.

    It is being done out of pure greed of the owners there’s no denying that.

    I will say it again, find a way to make the PL,La Liga etc fair where each team has an equal chance to win the title every season.Or may as well go ahead with the league.

    As an Arsenal fan,I can only say we’re a bit forunate because currently we have the economic power, financial clout and brand value to have been asked an entry into the competition.

    #1945180
    Wonderfuel Gas
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    notorious…interesting take from you but one i could not disagree with more. respectfully, i dont think there is any common ground between us for a decent debate on the matter so will leave you to your views.

    #1945182

    NotoriousBingo
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    Why not have a Super League?

    Its not like anyone else has the capabilities to win the titles in each country…

    Once in a million years a upset like Leicester happens…

    You know what would happen to the domestic league, it would become competitive again, like different clubs would actually be able to challenge for the title…

    Instead of the monopoly that is the current format…

    These 12 founding clubs absolutely stand above the rest of Europe, they are responsible for more than half the earnings the other clubs have but they have no say on the fixture lists because TV companies dictate those terms…

    The same companies that are feeding you now with how outrageous this is… The leeches of the game have convinced you that the sport can´t be done without them…

    #1945195

    homerjay540
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    Chelsea thinking of pulling out? Roman to get British citizenship in exchange apparently 🤣👊

    #1945198

    NotoriousBingo
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    lol

    Can you imagine how much money SKY is gonna lose because of this, its no wonder they are outraged… The product they have been developing for the last decades just got wiped out, no frosting anymore…

    All I can hear from them is whining about how someone else is gonna do football better than them!

    #1945250
    the specialone
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    This might upset a few Chelsea and city fans, but Surprise surprise!It took two plastic clubs to pull out of the Super league just like that?Ok I’ll be gentle, plastic owners.

    Why?They want fair competition?Is spending hundreds of millions of pounds more than the other through financial doping fair competition as well?

    As I said As a football fan I’m against this idea of a super league.As an Arsenal fan I’m not.If you were an Arsenal fan You’d understand.

    I also say Use this opportunity to make football a completely fair competition in the Premier league as well.West ham should have as much of a chance as city to win the title.

    Otherwise this will all be for nothing !

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