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    j c
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    Butt was featured on a documentary about jihadis in Britain, during which he and a few others carry an ISIS flag around in public, freely, without any consequences.
    That’s unbelievably tolerant, might as well have been a placard saying “killing children aint so bad” for all that ISIS stand for, but what good does tolerance do in the face of evil? Tolerance gets people killed.

    On the subject of whether the West is to blame for terrorism, due to interventions against islamists in the middle east…
    The West has historically intervened many times against communism and Russia, but we don’t get any Russian terrorism. Furthermore, on occasions in the fight against communism the West has actually backed islamist groups, who despite the support turned on the West. Al-Qaeda and ISIS were both benefactors of Western intervention, but that alliance wasn’t enough to take us off their kill-list.
    Sweden is not part of the coalition against Islamic State, have not taken part in any conflict in the middle east, have donated millions in humanitarian aid to the region, and accepted high numbers of refugees with generous welfare packages. Yet STILL have a problem with a strict destructive interpretation of islam.

    You can’t peacefully co-exist with islamic supremacists, they can’t even live peacefully with people of the same religion. They have no political motive for war… their goal is to spread their insane world view, which is more important than their own lives, and sure as hell more important than yours.

    Another guy from the “jihadis next door” documentary travelled to Syria and has been helping ISIS kill hostages and produce execution videos, and his friends were really proud when they saw him killing on video. People who are that far ‘gone’ ideologically, need taking off the street immediately. It’s madness that society has been so tolerant of these people.

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    tom182
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    Good post J.

    Some more cultural enrichment for France today I see

    #1491380
    Stuilse
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    jc…interesting that the Gulf countries, well most of them, have turned on Qatar accusing them of sponsoring and supporting terrorism. You’re right, they cannot even peacefully co-exist amongst themselves. Be interesting to know how many refugees Saudi Arabia, the UAE, Kuwait, Bahrain and Oman have taken in? I don’t think it’s that many. I wonder why!!

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    Jay belfast
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    Stulise FYI according to wikipedia:

    Destination of Syrian Refugees:

    Turkey 3m
    Lebanon 2.2m
    Jordan 1.2m
    Germany 600k
    Saudi Arabia 500k
    UAE 242k
    Iraq 230k
    Kuwait 155k
    Sweden 110k
    USA 16k
    uk 9k

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refugees_of_the_Syrian_Civil_War

    #1491501
    Stuilse
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    Jay…so out of a total of about 8.2m refugees the Gulf countries have taken in around 1.1m. Not great. I lived in the UAE for 10 years and whilst they publicly support the stateless Palestinians and Syrian people they privately DON’T want them living in the UAE. It’s just an awful situation all round. It’s also an extremely delicate and complex one with all sorts of players getting involved in the background pursuing their own agendas. As usual the majority of normal folk suffer.

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    Stuilse – If you take Turkey, Lebanon and Jordan, the closest to Syria then that goes up to 7.5M, not too bad when you think about their own problems in these countries.

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    Paxman…true but as a result, especially with regards Turkey, this sudden influx has added to what are already enormous internal problems in those countries and caused the region to be even less stable. This environment of uncertainty is what these animals thrive in…conveniently using the excuses of Western interference as some sort of excuse for their horrific acts.

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    Stuilse – I agree that with Turkey it has made a country even more unstable but as far as it being used as an excuse of Western interference, I am not sure Turkey is going to be used that way as it is 95% in Asia, and is not thought of as being part of the western world.

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    None of the gulf nations are signatories of the 1951 Refugee Convention, so technically they don’t bring in any refugees, however they do have work sponsorship programs at least I know Saudi does and a lot of people from Syria have gone to work in Saudi. They aren’t technically refugees, they will not get citizenship, and could be deported at any time at the behest of their employer, but they can make a living and their families can benefit from free education and healthcare.
    It seems like a sensible and mutually beneficial arrangement. Then when their employment ends (and hopefully the conflict ends), I’d assume they will need to leave and resettle.

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    Saudi Arabian football team refuse to participate in minutes silence for Australian victims of the London terrorist attack.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2017/06/08/saudi-arabia-football-team-fail-line-minutes-silence-honour/

    Australia won 3-2.

    #1493756
    MacGuffin
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    Apparently the refusal is for “cultural” reasons. I wonder what those could be and why the football authorities couldn’t agree on some mutually acceptable solution.

    On similar subject, how have muslim communities & countries demonstrated their opposition to the attacks. Have they made donations to victim funds, any demonstrations, public posters or actions to show their opposition. I recall in Ulster it was the women, protestant and catholic, who staged demonstrations against the violence and gave momentum to the move to end the violence.

    Other than lukewarm statements, which seem aimed at distancing themselves and thereby protecting themselves from backlash, it seems to me the muslim communities and countries have done next to bugger all except stressing that some of them told the police of potential concerns.

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