Watford Away – Sunday 15th – 4.30pm SKY

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  • #1782111
    steveosnakeeye
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    Looking forward to this match, hopefully the international break wont stimy us as it has in previous years…and no new manger bounce (again) please!

    we should be looking for a solid 3 points here eno matter what and i think we will

    #1782163

    stev2bath1
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    Be interesting to see what midfield he plays, Back five picks its self and having watched that game again although Xhaka totally fucked up on penalty, that aside he did not have a bad game but as I said in reality you cant put that aside unless you go and smash two in to make up for your brain freeze! I make this point not to open the debate again but to suggest he will start along side Gwen and I think Ceb. Then I think he will go with that front 3 again if Laca is fit. If not play Nelson I personally would go with Willock, Gwen and Ceb. I think we have to go with Ozil or Ceb but don’t see ozil getting a look in especially away from home! Hopefully Pepe can open his account still slightly worried he is going to be a gerviniho!

    #1782291
    steveosnakeeye
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    not the slightest bit worried about Pepe, he is already producing fine efforts and dribbling and passing and causing oppo teams trouble, once the first goal goes in i think he will kick on, new club, new country, new league. its been 4 games!

    im very excited for once to watch this one

    #1782429

    stev2bath1
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    I do like what I see so far but no end product so far. Hope you are right and its just a matter of time.

    #1782430
    steveosnakeeye
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    he needs more than 4 games and hasnt done anything wrong other than the bit of luck or quality for end product, it goes like that sometimes but he is exciting to watch and once settled can only get better…

    #1782978

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    what a pathetic performance.have to be honest and say watford deserved
    to win and should have won.as mentioned earlier in the season i’m getting
    sick and tired of this passing out from the back.14 goals conceded this
    calender year all our own making.if emery carries on this shit then he
    deserves to be sacked.our back four & midfield are not good enough and
    i can’t see any chance of top 4 on these opening games.luis has been a
    disaster since he’s joined and once again our keeper saved us when watford
    should have won it.our so called experience players are all making mistakes.
    not good enough for afc and it looks like a long hard season.emery sort
    it out or you SHOULD BE SACKED.same old,same old.

    #1782979
    the specialone
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    Let me save anyone the trouble on here.Let’s just ignore how Pathetic this defense is.Let’s just ignore how raw The overrated Overhyped youngsters of Arsenal are.Let’s just ignore that willock thinks he’s zidane trying to dribble past the entire watford defense when he had auba to pass to.Let’s just ignore the countless amount of times AMN YET AGAIN gave the ball away in dangerous areas.Let’s just ignore the two clear errors this team made.Let’s just ignore how somehow this management has managed to spin this has been a good transfer window when in reality it has hardly been.

    Let’s just blame everything on xhaka.I mean he was clearly responsible for both the goals conceded.

    #1782982

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    Shocking performance. What a bunch of bottlers. AMN was shocking. Guen was very careless. Nelson looked like a child on the pitch. Luiz and Sokratis yet again with mistakes and Emery who just doesn’t learn. We don’t have the personnel to play it out from the back. Pepe needs time but a lot more is expected from him.
    If we continue bottling it like we have so much in the past, Emery should be sacked.

    #1782992

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    Nelson looked out of his depth and that 2nd rate Maitland-Niles shouldn’t be near the first team. Guendouzi the lady boy couldn’t tackle his way out of a paper bag and Luiz is an accident waiting to happen. Same with Sokratis. Xhaka for once had an average game instead of his usual useless game. This nonsense of playing the ball out from the back must stop as we simply don’t have the players for it. Emery must take a major share of the blame this disaster.

    #1782995

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    Tso so you somehow want to make the debate about Xhaka again? Get over it I debate games as they happen. Xhaka was not bad but not good either just the majority of them.

    Today only Auba and Leno get a decent grade.

    Emery spoke about learning from mistakes so why did make 4 give aways prior to their first where Guen and AMN were responsible for all of them? AMN should have been hauled of at halftime. As for Sokratis wtf was that. Then Luiz hmm is he trying to become the most penalty creator of all time I mean he giving them away like candy.

    Now I said Luiz wont improve us and he has shown us why.

    As for Xhaka well at least he was honest in saying they were scared. Then the question why were everyone scared of Watford?

    Sorry but its time for Luiz and AMN to be dropped based on their performance.

    #1782996
    the specialone
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    No Muffler.I want to highlight how much of a scapegoat xhaka is.Why aren’t people discussing about sokratis or Luiz the sameway they did about xhaka last week.Anyways,ignoring xhaka for a moment.

    Why emery?Why are people blaming him after admitting that the personel is absolutely terrible.Do you expect him to do miracles with these donkeys.Come on be honest.Do you really blame him.For example,you have willock going up against expereinced capoue and docoure.I’d have them two over willock anyday of the week.Then we bring on nelson?They have Delefeou.I’d have delefeou anyday of the week.this is watord we’re talking about.Guendozi,another one who’s absolutely immune from criticism.He had a below average game,and lost the ball a couple of times.Do people only notice the ones where a player loses the ball and the opposition scores?

    The simple truth is that we unnecessary let players like iwobi go after giving him so much expereince.Why did we let monreal go?An experienced,reliable defender.Believe me when I say this,I’d actually have had him play alongside sokratis and all other Current CB’S.Yes,that’s how bad our defense is.

    In short,this squad is still not ready to challenge from the top 4.I don’t think it’s so difficult as well considering both chelsea and man utd have hardly improved but they’ve always had much better squads than us.And while Emery needs to start taking responsibility for somehow letting a team like watford have more than 20 shots at goal,he’s not the person i want to be pointing my finger at.

    If i’m emery,I’m wondering.what a pathetic situation this is.I don’t have the personel yet I’m expected to finish in the top 4 or get sacked.

    #1783015

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    No I blame Emery because it was obvious the whole game that AMN could not cope. To not take him off and switch a bit in defence is down to him. If he did not see that then he is just blind as Wenger was around certain players.

    I blame AMN, Sokratis, Guen and Luiz this week just as much as i did Xhaka last week. So for me Im not looking for Xhaka this game but to be fair when only two players in my view can escape with a good grade its not really a single players fault.

    I dont like Xhaka but he was not the main problem in this game.

    True the defence is a shambles but to just leave players on when they cant do anything correct then that is Emerys fault. Not saying putting Chambers on would have changed the game but then he at least he tried to correct it instead of leaving it as it was.

    #1783027

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    We seem to have the same tactical problems. Our midfield is allowing easy penetration. Emery tries to narrow the formation to cover this, but the full backs (wing backs) are too high on attack, slow returning on break down. They then pull inside allowing the attacking team free ground to press directly on the back line. Letting a winger go one on one with Luis or Socrates is asking for trouble. Our centre is too soft, slow and badly set up. Both player selection and set up is not doing us any favours.
    With our forward line (in this I include Ozil) not covering back we are in trouble. I don’t expect all players to cover, I know it is not always their forte (As Wrighty said on talk in game), they are there for their special ability on creating attacking options. BUT, if the centre cannot hold then they have to work in defending. Aba did this previously, I remember against Manure, but we lose what he gives us in attack.
    We used this same game plan against Liverpool, and suffered. I am not happy that the manager seems unable to reorganize, he looked lost yesterday. AMN was really bad. He’s never great but should have come off.
    I’ve supported this team for more than fifty years and seen good and bad. Yesterday was some of the worst yet.

    #1783049
    the specialone
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    I agree with gooner54,The biggest tactical problem that lies currently with the squad is the space between the Midfield and the defense and how easily our midfield gets penetrated.

    It’s no wonder that Emery used a back 3/5 for most of last season and I think he’ll be forced to do it again this season.Because what he’s using now clearly isn’t working.I can’t beleive the amount of times we let tom cleverly get in behind and have a shot at goal.Playing a back 3/5 has neve been Emery’s system but it is another example of him probably using it because he dosen’t have the right personel yet again this season.

    I also want to say.Ozil.I just can’t fathom to understand how this guy has managed to get himself 350k a week.I speak for his time mainly in the last 2 years.The guy has 1 strength,just one.And that is sucessfully complete a pass to the feet of his teammate.Which is mostly ever sideways or backwards.It’s bascially the basics what they practise everyday.Apart from that,he HIDES.He hides like no other.He’s scared to get himself in scoring position,always passing the responsibility off to others.He’s scared to make risky passes.He plays it way too easy.I’m not saying for his whole career but just recently.He really is “useless”,and I use it in a literal sense.

    #1783128

    Jeff
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    It’s not just about the players. If we had three world-beaters in our squad, we would still crumble if the likes of the mighty Watford have a go. We have the backbone of an earthworm and as The Online Gooner says ” the mental brittleness is endemic in the club and it’s going to take a particular type of manager to change it, certainly not Emery.” Many fans and blog sites are calling for a change of manager now, but is that really sensible after five games? Emery was backed by a pretty large transfer pot in the end in the summer but anyone else would want to kick out the rubbish we had and recruited, Ozil, Xhaka, Mustafi,Luiz and not persevere with the likes of AMN and others who are not yet ready. How much would that cost to replace and how much would they have to pay Emery to leave- won’t happen.Some talk of a break clause at the end of this season and surely if we do not make Top 4, that will be exercised. I think Emery is lost and does not know what to do before and during games and the confusion in his own head is reflected by the players on the pitch. What is our game plan, why do we keep playing it short- every time? Why is he trying to teach donkeys like Sokratis, Luiz and Xhaka to do ballet? This is a cup manager who doesn’t have a clue in this League. I would send him packing at the end of the season and hope that Allegri is still available and hasn’t been snapped up by PSG.

    #1783173

    stev2bath1
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    In relation to the game its self It was poor all round. We were dominated in Midfield by a team bottom of the league. The goals were stupid individual mistakes which the coach can not legislate for but he chose that formation, chose bad tactics especially playing out from the back, played Ozil and Ceb away from home in a formation which did not work. Changed the formation again and made substitutions that did not work.
    We are just playing and our forwards are just getting us out of Jail week in week out. Individual Players: Its pointless moaning about AMN we just don’t have a fit alternative, Xhaka was best of the midfield yesterday, Ceb was just out of position Gwen was swarmed all over and poor Ozil did an Ozil nothing then magic for assist, Pepe did another Gerviniho and Aube was lethal. The two centre halfs ballsed up again Luiz that foul should be outside the box you defend the line its a rookie error and Sok for the first goal simply WTF? Saying all that we played shit and somehow managed to be 2 up then showed no bottle and threw away 2 points.
    I believe Our squad is better than that and Emery will be held to account if we don’t at least perform better let alone the results!

    #1783373

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    I would rather play Mustafi at right back than AMN. I know both are suspect, but we are really in trouble with AMN. He was not just bad, he was rubbish, and not for the first time. With a poor set up and weak back four, he compounds the problem. Add a space cadet in Guindozi next to him, and you’re looking for trouble. Chambers has matured and is not the child who was crucified by (I think Montoya). Maybe a rethink in the meantime?
    You cannot continue allowing the centre not to give cover, to the back line. A carthorse would walk through the middle. However bad the back is, it is not being helped by the lack of cover in front of it, or the managerial set up.
    As you know, I don’t like stats, but the opportunities for goal attempts for Watford were embarrassing. Even the best back four/three, which we don’t have, could never contain this much pressure.
    I have no, or very little faith in this manager by his lack of adaptability. I hope in this I am wrong, I just keep seeing Wenger, in another body.
    GFL.

    #1783488
    the specialone
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    It’s easy for us to sit here and criticise emery but when I said he has complicated decisions this is what I meant.

    As far as our back up right back goes.We have AMN,Mustafi and chambers to choose from.You have AMN who has the attributes,he’s been trained in that position for more than 2 years.Yet he’s now incapable,possibly the worst “defending” right back we’ve ever had.Then there’s Mustafi.Not at right back for me.I’d start chambers there.He’s our best option in terms of defending.And whenever he’s played there he’s been decent.

    As for our centre halves.Signing Luiz was nothing more than a panic buy for Koscielny.Chambers did well there in the first game of the season.But when you sign someone like luiz,you have to start him ateast at first.

    For me,I’d rather start chambers as a partner to Sokratis.Chambers,Holding or Mustafi.Yes Mustafi,if he can get his confidence back he can offer more than Luiz.

    People don’t understand how bad luiz is.I’ve been noticing him very closely,the guy just backs up everytime someone’s running at him only to put in a challenge when they’re INSIDE THE PENALTY AREA to award them one.I thought he’d bring experience to this side but he’s playing like a rookie.There seems to be no leadership as well.
    I have no confidence in luiz,already made 3 errors this season.I say accept that he’s a flop and play someone else there.

    At chelsea,he had Kante and Jorginho to cover for him.He’s a good ball playing defender,and he always had both of them to pass to.At Arsenal he has Guendozi and Xhaka both of whom who can nowhere near replicate the jobs of what he had at chelsea.

    #1783507
    steveosnakeeye
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    Emery needs to sort himself out, he has had long enough now and made big squad changes…if he cant see the same mistakes being made game after game and do nothing about them something is wrong, he seems to be AW mark 2 at the moment, odd player selections and no clue about defense…….simple

    coaching and tactics are all him and HE is the one making them play out of defense when they are not good enough to do so….

    no point calling out individuals every game unless they are serial offenders (Xhaka,AMN, Luis)

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