What If…..We Had Lost The Final….

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  • #1774144
    j c
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    Hahaha, fair enough Dav. I was wrong to assume you’d never heard of Fernandes till last summer. I’ll give you that.

    “I was talking about us buying Fernandes in last summers window. I know quality when I see it”

    But you didn’t say he was quality, or that we should sign him. You just said what type of player he was and that we’d been linked with him.

    The point I was making though, is that he’s just had by far the best season of his career, his stock is currently high, but has he consistently been playing at that level? No. Will he get close to that goals and assists tally again this year? If he does then I’ll admit I was wrong, but I don’t think he will.

    Same with Pepe. I’ll go out on a limb and predict he will have an underwhelming season. Based on more than just a YouTube highlights video, I said as soon as the rumours about him came out (so nothing to do with Klopp) I thought “he may struggle in the PL”.
    We will see.

    As for your comments about Origi…
    I’d laugh so hard if Origi scores more goals than Pepe this year. I think there’s a good chance if he gets enough game time. He’s been playing well when called upon.

    #1774198
    Davinci
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    JC, I’d heard of and watched some clips of Fernandes a couple of months leading up to last summers window. I mentioned him and put a link because I thought he looked like a good player. I wouldn’t class anyone as ‘top quality’ unless I’d seen them play well over an extended period of time…hence why I would never class Henderson as such…but Fernandes has played very well over the last two seasons – what more do you want?

    As for Pepe, I don’t think I’ve said a single word about him. So I’m not sure why you’re talking to me about comparing him with Origi. Maybe you can explain?
    I hope Pepe does have an underwhelming season. I hope all our rivals players do…Peace

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    pinezes69
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    Disaster!!
    However owners would not have made any signing and Klopp would carry on telling us stupid excuses.

    #1774224
    j c
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    “As for Pepe, I don’t think I’ve said a single word about him.”

    You mention Pepe in the first post, and you mentioned him again later, so at least twice. You were basically saying Klopp is wrong (and narcissistic) not to sign Pepe as back up (because he’s putting faith in his own ability to coach inferior players like Origi).

    #1774274
    Davinci
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    JC, I suppose, technically you are right, I have mentioned him. What I meant is that I haven’t given an opinion of what I think of him as a player. I had never heard of him til this transfer window.

    The two times I’ve ‘mentioned’ him has never been about him as a player. I mentioned him in response to the idea that we had no money – yet apparently tried to sign Pepe. And then I mentioned him in response to YOUR comment about players that other teams have signed not fitting into our team – so I asked why couldn’t Pepe (signed by Arsenal) have competed with our front 3.

    But if you can copy and paste where I say that Klopp is wrong not to sign Pepe as back up, I’d be very interested to read it. If you can’t copy and paste where I’ve written that, maybe you should ask yourself why you’ve lied about it.

    I look forward to your next post :)…Peace

    #1774295
    j c
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    “Why wouldn’t Pepe have been good competition for our front 3?”

    You said that after I asked who, out of those who moved this summer, do you think we should have signed.

    “if you can copy and paste where I say that Klopp is wrong not to sign Pepe as back up, I’d be very interested to read it. If you can’t copy and paste where I’ve written that, maybe you should ask yourself why you’ve lied about it.”

    Let’s clear this up then, do you think Klopp was wrong not to sign Pepe? Yes or no?
    I wouldn’t want to put words in your mouth.

    #1774308

    NotoriousBingo
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    That’s a bit pompous mate…

    I would not want to work with you as the boss mate… What a horrifying thought that is…

    Origi got a contract because he hit every target Klopp gave him, he forced himself into the team, had a really nice goal ratio and of course won the fucking title for us…

    I completely fail to realise what mediocrity you are speaking off because its not there…

    We are rewarding our players for the success they have brought, it seems to me that you think we lost the game or something…

    #1774360

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    In response to the original question, I do think that had we lost the final we would have bought perhaps one or two more players, with Klopp not quite believing this is the squad to win things. However that obviously didn’t happen. I do genuinely believe that had the right player been available for a price we believed was fair, we’d have signed them this summer.

    I’ll even admit that before the Charity Shield I was a bit worried about our lack of activity, believing that we should have strengthened from a position of strength. However after our (mainly second half) performance against City and then a 40 minute demolition of Norwich, I’m no longer worried.

    We more than matched the ‘unstoppable’ City, and if Salah had his shooting boots on, would have won that in 90 minutes. Then we crushed Norwich, barely breaking sweat. Make no mistake, we weren’t playing top PL quality, but they’re a better side than we made them look, they’ll cause other teams plenty of problems this year. Plus, we clearly gave up managing the game until they scored. If we really wanted to, we could have got 8 or 9.

    My point is that Klopp has my complete trust and I believe he’s earned that. I have no doubt that he can make this side play even better than he did last year. I fancy him to squeeze that extra 5-10% of quality and efficiency out of them this year.

    #1774404
    Davinci
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    JC, this is what you say you said:
    //You said that after I asked who, out of those who moved this summer, do you think we should have signed.//

    This is what you actually said:
    //I don’t think any other players who moved this summer would have made a big difference to be honest. So I trust Klopp if he says the right options were not available//

    Why do you feel a need to lie about this when the evidence is so easy to produce?

    My counter to your argument was based on why you thought it had to be the players that had already been mentioned or bought by other clubs and if they would fit into our team. I mentioned Fernandes and Pepe as examples.

    I have no opinion on Pepe to be honest. That’s why you have never seen me suggest or campaign for us to buy him. I thought we needed Fernandes as we need a creative midfielder. I’m not sure if Pepe is a winger or a striker but I heard he plays in the front 3.

    So, no, I don’t think Klopp was wrong not to sign Pepe. But I don’t know anything about Pepe….so I could be wrong…Peace

    #1774412
    j c
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    Ah, it was on the transfer window thread, where I asked people who they think the club should have signed, from the players that moved this summer.
    My bad.

    On this topic, I posted something similar, I said nobody who moved would have made a big difference.

    You replied and mentioned Pepe, I took that to mean you believe we should have signed him.

    Anyway, thanks for clearing that up. So you don’t think Klopp should have gone for Pepe. Fair enough. Me neither.

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    The Fulcrum
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    I think we were in for Pepe, the difference being he would currently be our 5th choice forward and he knows that. At Arsenal he is 3rd or fourth choice starter and he fancies his chances of overtaking 1 or 2 ahead of him this season to make himself a routine starter. I think he knows full well barring serious injury he has no hope of breaking into our front three.
    I think this is the issue with signings this summer. We aren’t looking to replace any of our main starters, our squad average age is young bar Milner who is literally Benjamin Button. So it becomes a real problem to sign players of a level of quality we want when they know they will be struggling to break into the first team. I do think Lallana should have been moved on in the summer if there had been an option, and a younger, less held together with duct tape attacking mid should have been brought in…….so….Bruno Fernandes….anyone. But then isn’t that why we signed keita and oxlade Chamberlain…….

    #1774582
    Davinci
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    Well, if Pepe really thought he wasn’t better than Origi, then it’s best he went to Arsenal. I’d suggest that a 72m price would indicate he’s of a higher level but I haven’t watched him to say either way.

    I’d say Fernandes is more of a Eriksen type player that pulls strings in midfield, makes killer passes, scores goals and takes accurate set pieces/corners. Kind of what many disillusioned fans think that Henderson is gonna do now that he’s back in the 8 position (we’ll see).

    If Keita could stay fit for a few weeks, we may see what he has to offer. As for Ox, I’ve watched him for years and he’s just an ordinary player in my opinion. He runs around (fast) a lot, will score the odd goal and have the odd run of good form….but ultimately he’ll have little impact on a regular basis and then be injured. That’s how his career was at Arsenal and it’s how he’s started here. Remains to be seen if he ever breaks that pattern….I agree with you on Lallana. He had a 6 month spell where he played well for us (start of 16/17 season I think)…before and after that he’s been the epitome of mediocre. But Klopp loves a runner, even if it’s in circles, which is what our Adam specialises in. This ‘idea’ of him being our new DM brings back the nightmares I suffered with Mighty Joe Allen as DM getting trampled on a pushed out the way by all our opponents…Peace

    #1774589

    kopite
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    I really don’t get this thing with Origi. Has always done well despite limited started appearances. Goals per minute record is pretty solid. Only question mark is whether he can do it over a sustained period which he hasn’t been given.

    #1774593
    The Fulcrum
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    It’s entirely possible that Pepe will be a far superior player to Origi but so far what do we know……
    In terms of making impact and contributing at the highest level of the champions league….1 – 0 to Origi.
    In terms of having played well in a world cup campaign…..2 – 0 to Origi.
    In terms of knowing what’s expected in the premier league and making big impact when needed….3 – 0 to Origi.
    Both players are 24yrs old. I doubt either of them will ever be at the upper elite level but there is plenty of scope for improvement.

    #1774594
    The Fulcrum
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    I think Kopite, that people’s issue with origi is not down to his ability but down to his decision making. His brain hasn’t always been up to speed with his body….if that’s not too harsh. That said he is improving very quickly in this regard since his return to the team, case in point the fast corner from TAA v Barca….he was very sharp and has improved.

    #1774602

    kopite
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    Fair enough, but that also comes down to game time which he has had very little. Thing I like about him is his ability to be at the right place at the right time. Doesn’t score a lot of spectacular like.

    #1774605

    kopite
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    Fulcrum: Agree with you on Pepe. Some players can hit the ground running from a different league but some can’t.

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