Will Arsenal Fans ever be happy again (if they ever were)

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  • #1725831
    steveosnakeeye
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    OK this is NOT a go at any fellow fan either on here or not, its a real and genuine question.

    As Arsenal fans we all love our club and want the best, even if some fans views on what that is or how to get there differs.

    We all know the situation we are in, why and how we got here and its not great. That said we are in a far better position than many many other teams in the prem and around the world.

    We had the chance and potential to be a top top club, but we lost our way for the reasons we all know.

    The likes of city,OSG, the spanish duo and Juve have now changed the game so much, we can NOT hope to compete, what it would take to do so form where we are now will cost to much money and still take a whole lot of luck.

    So as fans, where does that really leave us? what should our new realistic expectations be, of course we are not and should not be happy but the facts are what they are.

    Do we stay moaning about the owner, board, managers and players every day with little difference from post to post? Do we even dare to dream of more under the current situation?

    Its an odd one isnt it?

    without a change of owner not much will change IMHO, i hope it does in some way but cant see it at present, i woulds till like to see where we are in 2 years, if we keep the current manager, see the dross and overpiads leave and replaced by younger hungrier better (if not WC) players and most of all a defense fit for purpose!

    What im tired of though is just the constant negativity from all (due to the piss poor running of the club and its owner) id like just SOME positivity, some interacton with fellow fans that is not all doom and gloom on every aspect, to be a little happy with our reduced lot….

    what do others think in general?

    #1725849
    the specialone
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    So what you basically want us to do is lower our standards and expectations to literally a mid table premiership club and simply accept it and be less ambitious generally,is it?

    Why should we simply accept it if we can change it.You act as if we have some sort of dictator at the club in KRONKE and no matter what he feeds us we simply have to accept it.That’s far from the truth.The same thing happened with wenger where people called him a dictator yet he wasn’t,people lost interest in the club,stadium seats were half full and that’s what hurt kronke and he eventually made the decision to feed a shark to the fans(in this case it was wenger).But now there is no excuse,every Owner and his dog knows Kronke has always and will always be the problem at the club.He’s not ambitious.You cannot suddenly change that from an owner.It stems from within,and if he ever had any interest he’d invest a lot lot more than simply purchashing shares and taking out profits.

    You want to know facts?Arsenal is the second highest generating revenue club in England,and amongst the top 10 in Europe.We have a great commercial value.we have the money.What my problem is that we are not even achieving 10% of what we’re capable of.it’s not because we’re not winning premierships,but we aren’t even trying to.

    That’s the real truth,and I despise every fan out there who wants fans to lower the club’s standards over something the can be changed.The ultimate decision lies with Kronke but a fall in revenue will eventually force him to sell.
    At this moment of time,there is only negativity.I said it it was the worst day of the club when Kronke took full ownership.I want fans to realise that,and act on it rather than simply just sitting back and behave like your watching a slow movie munching on Popcorn.
    Right now,this club from within seems beyond repair.We’re still making the same mistakes,this time much worse.
    Damage limitation,don’t wait two or three years to realise kronke has always been the problem.Force him out now,within one year he has to leave the club I’m sure there are buyers out there with genuine ambition.Then we take it from there.

    #1725866
    steveosnakeeye
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    Sigh…. here we go again

    can you read? or did you just skim and then furiously tap away at your keyboard as per usual?

    Do I want to lower expectations?
    No
    Am i happy with things?
    No
    Do i want change?
    Yes

    as you say, we have a lot going for us BUT we are continuing to make the same mistkaes, this is due to gross negligance of the owner and board.

    So, we have a FULL owner that we know has NO ambition for our club, so what do we do about that to MAKE the changes?

    How do we force him out? what have YOU done about this other than the usual posts?

    Is it to much to ask for interaction (at least some) with fellow fans that doesnt sound like a broken record, all be it we and yes you have every reason to feel as we/you do?

    im not absolving Stan, i want change, BUT i at least want to be a little realistic, can you? or are you to stuck on that high old horse of yours to see through the clouds?

    When has anything fans done ever changed a club or owner? has it worked for Newcastle? what about the green and yellow and Man U? what about Blackppol whose fans have literally boycotted the stadium?

    No

    and no that doesnt mean we shouldnt at least try, but WHO is trying? no one (including you)

    so where doies that leave us as fans? what interaction can we and should we expect from each other?

    #1725874
    the specialone
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    Well to start off with,Unlike many fans on here who claim to attend so many games and even hold fake season tickets,There is no reason to tell lies.As I’ve said before,I don’t live in the city.I do travel there every now and then and before last season I would attend every single game that i could.But I decided enough is enough?what are we actually doing?Feeding the pockets of a person who has absolutely ZERO ambition for this club.I’ll be a gooner for life but I’ve falling so much out of love for this club and inturn the sport.I’m trying not to but this club is making me.What am I doing to change things?Well I’ve decided to stop attending games altogether,stop buying merchandise and any and i mean any thing that brings revenue to the club.Why should I fill the club’s pockets,they are being hugely mismanaged or they’re going in kronke’s pockets.This is not a recent thing,it’s been going on since stone age,just far far too long now and nothing is being changed.

    You ask for positivity?What is there to positive about.We have just let go of arguably our best player for no absolute reason.We have no money to spend even though we generate a lot of revenue.Even if there will be money to spend it will be way way too less to actually make a difference.I’m talking about atleast 200m pounds to fix this club.will kronke give that?No.
    so come of your high horse and stop behaving as if fans like to spread negativity in the club.I genuinely can’t think of one good thing at this club right now.
    For it to change kronke has to go.He did sack wenger last season when revenues fell right?If more revenues fall which is anyways happening because of not qualifying for the cl,this guy will obviously sell before the value of the club and inturn his shares fall much below.As we’ve already seen he only cares about money,isn’t it.
    Either ways he’d have made atleast a double of profit on his investment at the club.

    Now imagine if every fan in the stadium did the same exact thing what I’m doing.I mean aren’t you all furious how mismanaged this club is and don’t you want a change?Or do you not even realise what the problem is????
    No single fan with even a decent amount of ambition can be contempt with what’s going on.I say again,it has nothing to do with us not winning trophies.It has everything to do with us not even trying to.

    #1725887

    steve68
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    steve.the two positives for me this season is our home form in
    the prem lge which has been very good.i think we’ve only lost
    to citeh at home.we lost the two cup games at home v spuds &
    utd and i hope emery learns from the utd game in the fact when
    they play counter attack we must play a back 3 and must play
    guendouzi,who has done really well considering his age and he
    will only get better & better.

    the second point and why i’m backing off giving the manager a
    hard time is he’s done very well with getting us challenging for
    the top 4 position.12 games to go and we are only a point behind.
    let’s be reasonable here and say we all would have taken that at
    the start of the season.yes emery has made mistakes but so have
    other top managers in their first season.

    i have absolutely no doubt that this time we will be a lot better
    if he can get the players he wants.the problem is when you want to
    play a high line pressing game but have bum average players to do
    so,it’s going to be pretty obvious we will be inconsistent because
    top players give you that not bum average players.we’ve got two
    big game v utd & the spuds.if we are still in with a chance of top
    4 after that then i think emery has done very well.there’s still
    the europa lge and i’d love us to win that.

    #1725931
    steveosnakeeye
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    Cheers Steve, there are very few positives to be fair, for me
    starting the season knowing full transistion with a weak squad especially defencivly but..
    22 games unbeaten
    some great goals
    EC form
    bedding in of some youngsters
    being where we are now and only being annoyed as we have done better at this point than i thought we would

    we can only hope we get at least some investment and its spent wisely and we get a few gems like torreria…..

    there is much to be down and annoyed about i just dont see the sense in churning the same stuff day after day on here, doesnt mean we should be happy or settle than less than the best for our club or even never be negative on here……

    #1725987

    T_Adams
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    22 games unbeaten with the defense we have is pretty remarkable.

    It’s hard to compete in our current situation but what Leicester did gives hope. I know other teams had a poor season that year but Leicester were exceptional. Very small hope but at least it’s there.

    I hope Emery is given enough to buy one world class centre back. Maybe if we can get Ozil out?

    #1725990

    muffler_1
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    Going 22 unbeaten i did not expect. Then we have Torreira and Guendozi as two positive new players.

    I still hope for summer being active by funding new players by getting a lot of deadweight out.

    #1726303

    stev2bath1
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    Its really hard to say? 22 unbeaten was great but we had a lot of Luck in those games and I loved slaughtering spurs. This season feels like Deja Vu. Great at home shite away. Is this any better than previous years, is he not just continuing what has been happening but in a different way. I love the fact he coaches the team and has a tactical approach for each game and actively coaches during games from the sidelines. I don’t like that we don’t have an identity and it seems we are all about stopping the other team. We should be making small changes per game not wholesale tactics and personnel but as I said I hope that’s because he has limited resources. I really don’t know how I feel about the future I think its to early to say and hopefully we will be clearer after summer.
    Two points I don’t agree on are its the fault of the Board I personally feel that’s a weak excuse. No one mentions them when it all goes well only when its shite, Glaziers used to be hammered for robbing the club and SSG were hammered at Liverpool until they started doing well. Everton owner has ploughed a load of money into the club and they are still shite! Gazidis was hammered when he was here when he left he was a traitor?? Our club is a self sustaining model and has always been even before the take over. I would love an abramovich or Mansour but they are rare and its not a right to chuck your money in just because you own it.
    The other point is we are not Leicester that is a comparison to Far!!!

    #1726345

    T_Adams
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    Steve, we are not Leicester but we are a million miles away from Liverpool and City too.

    In terms of it not being right that the owners chuck money into the club, I agree. It’s not a level playing field but now that others are doing it, it’s nearly impossible for us to compete unless we have a similar level of investment which is wisely spent. It’s the board who let someone who doesn’t seem to care about this club in so there is definitely blame there.

    With the defense we have, 5 games unbeaten is a decent record. You can’t take credit away from Emery for 22 games, even if it did involve luck.

    #1726497
    the specialone
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    To say the the board blameless is one of the most ridiculous things I’ve ever heard on here.Wenger built and made this club into a huge brand and only he deserves credit for it.If we are getting a huge revenue flow today,it is not like this board is doing a fantastic job.Even an idiot can do that job,i mean we do have idiots running our club after all.

    I don’t think fans quite understand.We’ve changed a legendary manager,got in a good manager.We’re still in the same position,definitely heading backwards.There is one constant here and it’s kronke.We could change 10 managers and the result would be the same.

    Sometimes I do wonder how low the ambition and standard of this club really has become.To settle for 6th place,and try and be positive.We are capable of much much much more.That’s the key,that’s the difference.
    And if we as fans are not willing to do what’s necessary then stop whinging about the state of our club.

    #1726562

    stev2bath1
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    To do what is necessary??? which is abandon the club, mass protests? Its not realistic and I don’t believe it will ever happen and even if I am wrong I don’t think it would work. Again look at other clubs where they wanted the board out United had a massive campaign…never worked, Liverpool had a smaller campaign.. never worked. Newcastle has not worked. All those clubs complained/campaigned but had full stadiums every week. As I said I would love Kronke to chuck a load of money in and do a Mansour or abramovich but I don’t think he will and don’t think we can say he has to. I also cant see him selling, he had an offer from Usmanov and probably could have got what he wanted but did not so ultimately we are stuck with him. As good or shite as they have been I just think its a waste of time to go down the board out route.
    As we speak we have to work with the model that we have and hope Emery can coach the life out of team, we come up with a few gems from the youth set up and find bargains like Gwen and Torr, I just don’t see any other way forward.
    TSO did you really just praise Wenger ??? It’s also as I said when we did well apparently it was Wenger and the board had nothing to with it again which I think is unrealistic.

    Lastly

    #1726604
    the specialone
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    Well first of all,you need to stop being so ignorant and submissive.You’re literally treating Kronke as some sort of dictator wherein he can do what he wants and nothing can stop him.The ultimate decision to sell might lie with him but as an owner if I’m seeing a fall in revenue,espescially from the point of view of fans then I’d sell before my shares drop further and reach to a point where I won’t even recover my investment.At the end of the day what kronke cares about is only profit.

    Look what happened at other clubs,well every club is a different situation.Man united fans want glazers out because of the debt they’ve kept them under.However,they’ve always made a lot of money to spend at the club,pretty much a blank chequebook.They can go on and sign any player in the world right now.Liverpool actually campaigned against high ticket prices that the club had set and had come out on top within a month the owners re-set the ticket prices and made it lower.
    Regardless,what you say is that “See no matter what even if you campaign,you’ll see stadiums full”.None of them are in Arsenal’s place,where the club is being drossly mismanaged for over a decade under the leadership of one and only kronke.Wenger and emery are scapegoats,Kronke is the constant.How can there be no money to spend?There is no genuine ambition.If you can see stadium seats empty when we wanted wenger out last season,then why can’t we the same if we want kronke out.At the end of the day he’s a business man and he’ll do the right thing if there is a huge drop in revenue.

    What you’re basically saying is that Kronke can do whatever the hell he wants.imagine this scenario,next season we literally get relegated under him.Do you you think the fans will keep quiet?I certainly don’t.I think a standard and lack of ambition has been created and it’s top 6 for us.Once we start going lower is when the action might start happening.

    And yes,what do you mean am I praising Wenger?He might be responsible for the state of the club in the years prior to when he left….but he deserves huge credit for introducing a brand of football,and developing the Arsenal brand that is so widely supported today.Without him,we’d not be here.Need I reming you the bank would only give us a loan for a new stadium if wenger was still at the club.Anyone who’s ignorant of the fact that wenger is not responsible for developing AFC as a brand is just a fool.

    #1728215
    redblood
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    You have to sell the likes Cech[retiring],Monreal,Kos,SL,Mikhi,and Wellbeck,and sign 3-4 very good players,and you are back to challenging for major titles,in my opinion.No idea what is happening with Ozil though,but you screwed us deep & hard for Sanchez!

    #1728224

    muffler_1
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    Cech and Welbeck are already out the door within money coming in for them

    #1728420
    redblood
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    Do you Goonies want Sanchez back?Lol Can also keep Mikhy…

    #1728425
    redblood
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    Cech and Welbeck are already out the door within money coming in for them I thought Cech is retiring and Wellbeck is off on a free,like Ramsey???

    #1728565

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    After watching the game last night, I would unload Miki.Far too many mistakes and poor passing and finishing. Gwendozi(sic), slows the ball down in transition, and weak on the ball. Will get better and I like him, but needs to learn his trade. at this level.
    Still playing very narrow, to bolster centre, especially on left side.
    Overall, a better performance. I know many don’t like Ozil, but he is a class player. Lazy, full of attitude, yet, I like him. In the right set up he can carve you up. He must be carried in those defensive positions. However, if you move for him and make runs, he can find you. In saying this, at 30 would be looking to replace him with next generation, in a season or two.
    Iwoeful, some good turns but really poor touches. Active and can be good. I would ship him out when more additions to squad are available. He needs to work hard on his skills and mind. Raw talent yes,thinking player no.

    Gooner for life.

    #1728738

    Jeff
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    Gooner54. There are quite a few who need to be despatched- Mustafi, Xhaka, Elneny and Iwobi for starters. Then free transfers/ zero funds for Welbeck, Lichsteiner, Cech and Monreal. Ozil will stay as who will pay £350k/ a week for him? Even if we found someone who would tolerate him playing well once or twice a month, we’d still probably have to fork out around £200k per week as a loan player somewhere. In addition, he has reportedly refused to be moved during the last transfer window. If we clear out the rubbish mentioned above, we might get around £40m to add to the supposed summer funds of £45m. That should give Emery something to work with at the very least before the start of next season.

    #1728819
    the specialone
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    And then you could appoint jeff as the manager to finally relegate the team once and for all!He’d be the perfect yank to work for That fool Kronke.

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