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  • #1989818
    The Oracle
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    Moppy, we are going backwards because of the mess Clouseau left the club in. His ego has put this club back 60 years, we have a poorer side now than we did in the 1960’s. Why cant you Wengie lovers see the damage he has caused. The last 3 years are a direct result of his years of mismanagement, allowing a culture of failure to seep through the club, no accountability from a bunch of overpaid losers, no winning mentality, hundreds of millions spent on players who took the money and laughed at him. It will take years to put this right, that’s if it’s possible to put it right. Read Jeff’s post, he says exactly the same as I do. At least some people know where the blame lies.

    #1989883

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    Wenger is our most successful manager – fact.

    He brought some of the players we’ve had to the club – Henry, Vieira, Pires, Cazorla, Sanchez to name just a few

    For 20 years we played some of the best football ever seen not only for Arsenal but ever seen in the league.

    You think he took the club back 60 years and still think he influences the club and forever will – and you label others stupid!

    #1989927
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    You Wengie luvies really do live in a fantasy world. Wenger is our most successful manager because he’s the longest serving manager by years because he wasn’t sacked when he should have been. His success came of the back of George Graham’s team, without those players who had guts, grit, desire and a love of the club Clouseau would have won nothing. As soon as all of those players left or retired the life went out of the club. Players were schooled by Adam’s, Keown, Bould, Seaman, Parlour, Dixon, Winterburn kept the Arsenal DNA going but once it died that was it. Clouseau has never won a European trophy, he couldn’t even win the League Cup. Next year will be the longest Arsenal have ever gone without winning the title and that’s down to Wenger. He signed 10X more crap players than the good ones you mention. If you can’t see the damage this ego maniac has caused and how far he has sent the club backwards then you truly are stupid. He doesn’t influence the club now, how could he but he would if this crass moronic idea to bring him back ever came to fruition. Clouseau’s final 10-12 years were a disaster and the club may never recover their previous status. That’s Wengers legacy. Time you Wengie luvies realised it. Remember winning isn’t everything – what a legacy to leave a professional football club.

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    Oh yes your hero Graham the thief who went to Spurs created Wengers success. Not very good with facts are you?

    #1989967
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    So Moppy, you’re now claiming Graham’s players – Let me remind you who they were: Seaman, Dixon, Adam’s, Keown, Winterburn, Parlour, Platt, Wright, Bergkamp had nothing to do with Wengers success. It’s hard to take nonsense like that or you seriously when you come out with nonsense like that. As for corruption didn’t Panorama investigate Wengers transfer dealings in Africa, didn’t the Spanish FA kick him out of Spain and stop him poaching young players. Didn’t he demand huge wages to stay at Arsenal, threatening to leave if he didn’t get what he wanted. Yes the famous socialist wage policy, only it didn’t apply to him. Players laughed at him, didn’t Tony Adam’s state Wenger was clueless about tactics and knew nothing about defending, other players demanded transfers because they gave up on his failed vanity project. Those are the facts Moppy not your blinkered view of a self centred ego maniac, a specialist in failure. Never mind, 4th is like winning a trophy and winning isn’t everything. Only no it isn’t and yes it is.

    #1989983

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    Oh dear you should write for the Sun.

    Platt and Bergkamp werent Graham’s players were they?

    Adam’s, Keown, Dixon, Winterburn hugely benefited from Wengers introduction.

    Wengers team that went unbeaten had Parlour left from Graham’s era who massively improved under Wenger

    What did Graham do when he left Arsenal?

    #1990004
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    Wengers team that went unbeaten had Keown and Parlour in it. It had Campbell in it, it had Vieira in it, it had Cole in it, they were schooled in the Arsenal way by Adam’s and the others, they didn’t accept failure. Platt and Bergkamp weren’t Clouseau signings were they, they were signed by Bruce Ricoh, nothing to do with Clouseau. Wenger never won a thing with an entire team of HIS players. These are Wenger players: Lehmann, Demel, Santos, Stepanovs, Squillaci, Bischoff, Miyaichi, Inamoto, Kallstrom, Wreh, Jeffers. He didn’t need to tell them winning isn’t everything, there was no chance of his players winning the title. What did Graham do after he left Arsenal you ask. A hell of a lot more than Clouseau, he couldn’t even get a management job. Maybe he couldn’t find a club that believes winning isn’t everything.

    #1990008

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    The players you list cost buttons and one helped us win the double and another go through a season unbeaten.

    Wenger never won a thing with his players… really ….even from you… what nonsense.

    You really are clutching at straws.

    What did Graham do after he left us? Do you think he would have won two doubles and go through the league unbeaten if he stayed another 10 years?

    This is getting funny.

    #1990054
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    Then there was Gervinho, Chamakh, Luzhny, Malz, Grondin, Mendez, Arshavin, Park Chu-Young another classic. Oh so you want duds that cost money do you. Let’s give you £250 Millions worth – Giroud, Monreal, Podolski, Ozil, Bielik, Chambers, Debuchy, Ospina, Paulista, Welbeck, Holding, Mustafi, Xhaka, Perez, Lacazette, Mavropanos, Mkhitaryan. But hey who cares it’s only the clubs money and as long as Clouseau got his £8 Million a year who cares. After all it’s not as if he had to win anything, winning isn’t important. How many other specialists in failure are paid £8 Million a year after 14 years of failure.

    #1990069

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    Oh you are a card, David Grodin and Stefen Malz! what a stick to beat Wenger with. Though im slightly disappointed you forgot the likes
    of Kaba Diawara and Fabian Caberllo in your little list, two of my favourite flops.

    It’s not like some of Wengers cheap punts didn’t work though is it?

    And I suppose your hero never bought any duds? Though who he bought depended how much he was in the brown envelope he was given – so no surprise really.

    Give up you are embarrassing yourself, again.

    #1990087
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    When your a specialist in failure those are the sorts of players you sign, didn’t old Clouseau think Squillaci was world class. I forgot to mention that oitstanding midfield dynamo Denilson. As the great Tony Adam’s stated in his autobiography “ He wasn’t a coach, did he teach me or the others anything about defending? No he didn’t, did he improve us as players? No he didn’t”. Mr Arsenal went on to say “in order to improve players you work with them, Wenger didn’t, as a psychologist he was second to none, as a coach he didn’t add anything”. Tony goes on to say Wenger surrounded himself with yes men, he didn’t want anyone disagreeing with him or questioning him, he loved praise. That’s Wenger the specialist in failure for you. You ask would Graham have won more had he stayed, undoubtedly including European trophies, how many of those did Clouseau win in 22 years? Oh no, he didn’t win any did he, ever, couldn’t even manage to beat a League Cup. He also went 14 years without winning the title, an Arsenal record FOURTEEN YEARS. He couldn’t even beat Galatasaray in the EUFA Cup Final even though they played 30 minutes with 10 men. Again Wengers lack of tactical nous was the problem. According to France Football when Wenger was sacked for his abject failure over many years he was one of the best paid managers in Europe, he was paid €22.5million. The others Simeone, Mourinho, Guardiola, Valverde. Now what did they have in common? Oh yes they regularly won titles and European Champions leagues. How could a serial loser like Wenger leech €22.5million out of Arsenal when he hadn’t won a title in 14 years and had never ever won a European trophy. You Wengie luvies really do live in a fantasy world. At any other club Clouseau would have been sacked in 2008. He was a con man and a loser.

    #1990097

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    Oh Shifty the gift that keeps on giving.

    If Graham would have won European cups had he stayed, why did he fail so miserably after us? He was finished mate.

    As for Adam’s, how about a quote when his publishers are not trying to flog books with controversial quotes. From Adam’s Instagram after Wenger left:

    ‘Thanks for everything Arsene. Move over Herbert (Chapman), Arsene Wenger the greatest Arsenal Manager.’

    Do you agree with that too?

    #1990105
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    Remember March 2017 Moppy:

    BAYERN MUNICH 10-2 Arsenal

    Another Wenger tactical masterstroke. And what did he do after the 2nd leg, blame the players, haul them over the coals, take responsibility himself. No he blamed the referee. 10-2 and he blamed the ref. Still makes a change from blaming the stadium announcer. And you sneer at George Graham and European Cups. Ahem, he won a European trophy when did Clouseau ever win one, ever, in his entire career, just one. You’re hilarious Moppy, your defence of the Specialist in Failure really is funny. You’re like the Moonies – All hail the Great God Wengie, the Specialist in Failure

    #1990110

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    Wenger went through the season unbeaten, won two double and won 7 FA Cups and over 700 games.

    Funny I thought you agreed with all Adam’s says?

    #1990150
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    Here’s another one for you Moppy

    Group Stage Champions League 2105-16

    BAYERN MUNICH 5-1 Arsenal

    Apparently that was down to the floodlights being too bright 😂 😂 😂

    #1990151

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    ‘Move over Herbert, Arsene Wenger the greatest Arsenal Manager.’ Tony Adams, over 659 caps, Arsenal Legend

    ‘He was a con man and a loser’ – Shifty Boy /the Oracle, multi alias teamtalk poster, previously caught lying he held season tickets.

    As an outsider looking in, who’s opinion would you trust?

    I’ll leave it there.

    #1990152
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    How about this one Moppy

    2015-16

    BARCELONA 5-1 Wengers Arsenal (aggregate score) this apparently was down to the sun being very bright in Barcelona

    #1990316
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    Two things –

    1.Anyone who tried to discredit the work Wenger did during his early years and through the Invincible era is clueless and an Ungrateful Human.Most likely born in the Emirates era.

    2.Wenger left this club in an unacceptable state.This club is still facing consequences of some of his actions at the club.He finished outside the CL for two seasons in a row before he was sacked and there’s no indication we were ever going to get back with him or any other manager.That’s because the Underlying problems at this club have always been bigger than any manager.

    But lads,Keep going at it.Had a nice laugh 😂

    #1990318

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    TSO –

    Maybe if as you state the problems are bigger than the manager, you should cut Wenger some slack, for just missing out on the champions league for the last two years.

    #1990320
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    Here’s another one Moppy

    February 2012 MILAN 4-0 Wengers Bottlers

    Another stroke of tactical genius and Arsenal biggest ever defeat in Europe up until then. There was worse to come. Never mind, winning isn’t everything

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