November 3, 2019 at 10:26 pm #1796501
Well 8 people were interviewed for the job:
Dick was appointed because he had a chemistry, was well prepared, knew our players inside out, impressed them with his ideas, coaching ability, ambition, belief and passion.
They obviously didn’t notice that he couldn’t speak English and still can’t.
As I keep telling you it’s only going to get worse until there’s a complete clear out. The rot has set in and it will take years to sort out. You’ll all get it eventually.November 3, 2019 at 11:17 pm #1796504
Oracle, According to you as you have repeated your self over and over there is no chance and no point in any of this. 10 years you keep saying, no manager is going to make any difference or players, so you believe nothing will change and all of this is pointless and it will take 10 years no matter what we do? If that’s the case you can just leave again and let us fools have discussions that will get us no where. But please be clear we understand what you are saying so no need to repeat 10years or Wenger ever again. We are fools who just don’t agree.November 4, 2019 at 9:48 am #1796557
Steve2Bath1, you’re not reading correctly. Read the last paragraph again. It’s going to take at least that length of time if we don’t get rid of the dross. We are 2 years in and no progress no improvement. Clear out has to come first otherwise we carry on like this, actually getting worse. Everything at the club, everyone one is failing.November 4, 2019 at 10:05 am #1796562
In peace, getting rid of deadwood is far easier said than done. Most of the players mentioned are on pretty high wages and you’ll probably need to wait for them to run down their contracts. To put it simply , who the hell is going to agree Ozil current wages, even half of it would be a stretch for most clubs.November 4, 2019 at 10:38 am #1796590
Kopite, you are spot on, someone actually gets it and it’s not an Arsenal fan, surprise surprise. These players have no sell on value but will not leave because no one else would pay them a fraction of what we do. Their couldn’t care less attitude has to be eradicated. Until they go nothing will improve. Ten years 3 managers will be optimisticNovember 4, 2019 at 11:37 am #1796634
Oracle- You have no more idea of the actual cost of players than me- we can both only see what’s suggested as cost, irrespective of how much is paid up front/ instalments as it has always been. I’ve looked at all the players who’ve arrived since Wenger departed and that includes loans such as Suarez and Ceballos. You can doubtless come up with a different set of figures if you want to prove a point but here goes, excluding wages- Suarez £5m, Guendouzi £7m, Sokratis £17m, Leno £22m, Torreira £26m, Ceballos £15m, Martinelli £6m, Saliba £25m, Luiz £8m, Pepe £72m, Tierney £25m. Total £228m spent on players following Wenger’s departure. Yes, in actual cash, money for Saliba and Pepe is not all up front, but my point is that is the total these will cost AFC eventually, assuming Saliba doesn’t now somehow end up at Real Madrid.
Has Emery deployed these players as best he might? Please don’t tell me it’s because Ozil, Mkhitaryan, Xhaka and Mustafi are still on our books or that these weren’t Emery’s choices….. Could anyone, even duds like Allardyce or Pardew get more from these than Emery?November 4, 2019 at 12:46 pm #1796674
Number of points here, we didn’t actually pay £5 million for Suarez due to his injury record and lack of appearances. Your other figures are accurate apart from the fact we haven’t signed Ceballos and the loan fee is €4.5m we haven’t signed Saliba yet and have only paid €5m so far. As for Pepe we have only paid £20m million up front. So your figure is overstated by approx £100m for this seasons budget. That wasn’t my original point though, my concern is how good are these signings. Suarez flopped and has gone, Sokratis is useless and a poor stop gap, Leno, jury out, Torreira looked good but no longer, Ceballos has done nothing, Saliba isn’t here, Luiz waste of time, Tierney should be OK, Pepe, jury out but not looking good. The best signings by far have been Guendouzi and Martinelli. We also have to consider who is actually doing the buying, it’s not Dick, he might make recommendations but he doesn’t buy them. Where we can criticise Dick is for how he has used the players and his tactics, but let’s not forget he was employed because he’s allegedly a great tactician. You have to question the people behind that statement and decision. However you look at it our midfield says to the opposition ‘This Way’, our defence is still a joke, it’s been a joke for 15 years. This is why I keep saying it’s going to take years to put this mess right, we aren’t going about it the right way. Why can’t we make our defence any better. Why are we buying Pepe when we need central defenders, since Bellerin has been injured we couldn’t even field a genuine right back. We have to get rid of Mustafi, Xhaka, Mkhitaryan and Ozil, that’s the key, cut out the cancer. Formulate a proper plan and get the right personnel on the pitch and in the dug out.November 4, 2019 at 2:12 pm #1796705
Oracle- I said at the outset that we have not “paid” up front, so why repeat that. Clubs invariably do not and never have. I said we haven’t paid the full fees for Saliba or Pepe, but that is not the issue. The idiots at this club, including historically Mislintat and Raul have collected players to the value of c £200m, so don’t say we have only spent £100m. If that were the case, we also would not have “sold” Sanchez and Fabregas for whatever they were worth as we hadn’t received the full transfer fee up front! if you read another rag. we have paid a fee of £15m for Ceballos for a year, so who is right?
Emery is a hopeless cause and will do irreparable damage the longer he stays. Tell me, what do you think of his managerial strengths- what are they? I cannot see any. He’s a second-rater that Slaphead foisted on us when he leaked the news that his pet Arteta was in pole position to land the job and the peasants revolted at the thought. I do not believe that liar saying Emery had a dossier of every players’ strengths and weaknesses- when would he have had time to compile that?November 4, 2019 at 2:51 pm #1796736
You didn’t read it correctly, I said you overstated your figure by £100m. You’re missing the point until we get rid of the cancer, Wengers couldn’t care less players who are leeching off the club we have to do deals where we loan players back and buy the likes of Pepe over a period of 6 years. The whole point is we are buying low quality players, it’s no coincidence our two best signings are the youngest and cheapest. As for Dicks managerial strengths I don’t remember saying he had any, what I did say was I didn’t want him but he was all we could get. The question you should be asking is who appointed him and why. I’ve given you the clubs reasons in detail, do they ring true and I’ve also stated how the hell didn’t they realise he couldn’t speak English if they interviewed him, what language was he interviewed in. All your post does is emphasise my points. Ten years and 3 managers minimum. We’ve had a rubbish defence for 15yrs and still nothing is done about it. Sack Dick and this season is a right off, who is the new manager, will they get it right, how long will it take for him to bring his players in given our transfer policy. We won’t make any progress with these players, this manager and this back room set up of Venkatesham, Sanllehi, Edu and before them Gazidis and Mislintat have improved nothing. we are going nowhere and we won’t until there’s a clear out of everything to with past failings. The losers mentality, refusal to solve long standing problems and the insistence of second best is sending us backwards. Ten years will seem optimisticNovember 4, 2019 at 3:29 pm #1796765
OK if you want to be pedantic, we have spent £100m of this year’s budget, but have acquired players who will ultimately cost well over £200m since Wenger left. Still a gross mismanagement of funds and in the hands of an utterly incompetent and clueless manager who has obviously confused his players so they don’t know whether they are coming or going- agreed?November 4, 2019 at 3:53 pm #1796786
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Oracle, you say until we get rid of ‘cancer’ right now the most immediate cancer I see is donkey Emery. What do you do with cancer? You don’t wait to let it spread you try to stop at source. That’s what we must do, pack his bags and send him on his way.November 4, 2019 at 3:55 pm #1796787
As I keep saying why did we get someone who can’t speak English. Dick will go sooner rather than later but 2 years down the line we are no further forward. We haven’t got rid of the cancer, the indulged overpaid losers who have polluted the club, our recruitment hasn’t improved because we aren’t addressing the problem areas, we have a group of over indulged players who don’t understand Dicks tactics or don’t want to. Look at Liverpool, 2-4 down to us they pull back, 4-5 down in the 95th minute they still won, they were 0-1 down to Villa in the 87th minute, they still won. That’s Klopp for you, he’s not a loser, he doesn’t want slackers, prima donnas and wasters, he wants winners. Fifteen years we’ve had a crap defence and done nothing about it, not a thing. Whoever manages Arsenal it’s not improving anytime soon the way this club is run. Dick will be gone before Christmas, what then?November 4, 2019 at 4:15 pm #1796805
Bsm walk you’re still not getting it. The cancer is Wenger and his loser mentality that lives on in Mustafi, Xhaka, Mkhitaryan and Ozil. They are parasites bleeding the club of money, they stop us buying what we need, they contribute nothing, and they contaminate all of the other players. Mustafi total disaster everytime he plays, Xhaka useless and abuses fans, utter disgrace, Mkhitaryan £200,000 a week and he’s useless. Then there’s the ace couldn’t care less leech Ozil, £350,000 per week. This is the problem. Dick will be gone by Christmas Wengers losers won’t so there will be no improvement. The loser attitude is far too deeply ingrained. Get rid or stagnate in mid tableNovember 4, 2019 at 4:30 pm #1796808
the bsm walkParticipant
If nobody can improve Arsenal Oracle, no matter who the manager, why were you so desperate to get rid of Wenger then? Of course a manager can improve Arsenal, how far can we go that’s on the manager and players, but to say no manager can improve us, I don’t agree at all.November 4, 2019 at 4:54 pm #1796827
Managers make a difference just look at United’s last year under Fergie, they won with a piss poor squad and they have never been a force since – he knew how to organise and get the best out of them. Chris Wilder is another manager who gets everythinbg out of a very average set of players. There are no excuses for Emery, with the exception of not playing Pepe he picked the players that most of us wanted but tactically it was a mess and the substitutions were bizarre. As a club we have to do everything possible to get back into the CL and sacking Emery and paying his remaining salary is a small amount of cash to put at risk. It’s becoming more and moore obvious that he is not fit for purpose.November 4, 2019 at 5:47 pm #1796848
bsm walk, you really need to learn to read. How many times do I have to repeat this. Nothing will change until the loser attitude is removed from the squad. We have to get rid of MUSTAFI, XHAKA, MKHITARYAN & OZIL. Once they have gone and our senior executives do their job properly and appoint someone who can actually do the job of team manager we might see an improvement. They have to go first. The longer they stay the longer it will be before we improve. The club has been poisoned remove that and get the right people. Someone who can speak English might be a good starting point.November 5, 2019 at 9:59 am #1797119
lets try to sum up
Management team and AW left us in the shit
it will take 10 years and 3 managers MINIMUM
Xhaka is crap and Xhaha is a scapegoat, actually a decent player and its all the fans fault.
Even with spending £100m this year (£200m in total but spread) we have the worst defence of any big club and many small clubs
Manual cant sort his own team or tactics or improve players in anyway shape or form, this is once again the fans fault but also AW’s fault for leaving the cancer behind and nothing will change until removed, no manager can improve the current team or squad or performances until this has happneed
sooooooo not much to discuss for the next 8 years or so….carry onNovember 5, 2019 at 10:25 am #1797131
SteveOSnakeOil, you seem confused about Xhaka, he’s definitely crap and I doubt Dick is working from a ‘manual’ he doesn’t seem to have one (try Manuel and he was from Barcelona so would have been more use than Dick). Other than that you seem to have got it.November 5, 2019 at 10:49 am #1797150
im trying shifters, its not easy but i think i have a handle on it
remeember though, as shit as he is, its not his fault, he is a scapegoat only
its the fans faultNovember 5, 2019 at 12:26 pm #1797177
You honestly believe it’s the fans fault. Oh dear you sound as deluded as The Stupid One. It’s down to poor management at Arsenal over several years. Allowing one man total control, not sacking him 10 years before they did, appalling player contract management, poor Football Structure which led to the wrong man being appointed following Clouseau’s sacking. As I told you 18 months ago it’s going to take years. And here’s you blaming the fans.
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