Xhaka To Be Dumped

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    The Oracle
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    Rumours and stories growing by the hour that Xhaka is being dumped. This is long overdue and excellent news. This donkey has been a disaster ever since we bought him and an upgrade has been needed for 4 years. It seems Roma are negotiating for his transfer and they view him at €15m whilst Arsenal want €20m which is approx £17,180,000. I can’t see anyone paying over £15m given how poor he is and if we can get £15m I’ll be overjoyed. It also seems Willian is going along with Luiz, Kolasinac, Guendouzi and Torreira. That should greatly reduce our wage bill but we aren’t going to raise much in the way of funds given we need an awful lot of players. Still dumping EsioTrot can only be good news.

    #1958557

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    For any Xhaka backers still remaining on here – I say this, which team member of our current squad is currently indispensable? Nobody. So why shouldn’t Xhaka be sold? As long as we replace him with the right body, Xhaka or anyone for that matter position should be under threat in this bang average team.

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    I think Xhaka being sold is the right thing at the right time. Provided of course that a replacement is signed – the fact he played so many games this season shows how important he has been but like Bellerin I think it’s time for a change and a move would be best for both parties. We must bring in a top quality replacement though so hopefully someone is lined up.

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    I can’t see this happening but if we do as long as we do make the quality replacement first I could live with it. He has not just played the most games he has been our best and most consistent centre mid this season. We need additions of quality in this area as it is. Partey has not pulled up trees and I think we need at least another player to compete with them both for their positions.

    #1958893
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    Looks like he’s definitely going which is great news, get him off the wage bill and £15m hopefully in the bank. Guendouzi possibly going to Marseille but I doubt we will get much for him, say £7m. Add Torreira at say £10m tops and that’s £32m towards transfers. It’s not going to solve our problems but it’s a start.

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    I wouldn’t hold your breath, Oracle. Xhaka came out earlier this week and said that at the end of each season he’s been here such rumours do the rounds. He said he and his family “like living in London and he has two years left of his contract”. In addition, he’s on £100k/ week- if he went to Roma he’ll be on about half of that. Get ready for another two seasons of him especially as Arteta “trusts” his senior players like Leno, Holding, Willian and Xhaka.

    #1959047

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    i think if we get 20m then we should take it.i think bissouma
    will be a massive upgrade and would improve our midfield.i
    hope we sign bissouma and if i had a choice for the no 10
    i would love us to sign courtinho but how much would he cost??
    this is a massive summer for afc and we must spend big and
    on top quality players or we will be further behind again next
    season.

    #1959110
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    Jeff, he’s just got to go, you know that as well as I do. The only way Arsenal can improve is to dump the dross, I’ve been saying it for years and although Arteta made a start by getting rid of the biggest troublemaker in Ozil there is still a lot to do. Xhaka was an appalling signing, he’s done nothing for this club apart from leech off us for 5 years. It’s pointless spending vast amounts of money when you buy poor players. Chelsea make a few big signings every year but they are relying on their youth players with quality signings, we have for years ignored our youth players and paid millions for dross. Ozil, Xhaka, Mustafi, Leno, Sokratis, Lacazette, Elneny, Torreira, Guendouzi, Kolasinac, Willian, Saliba, Pepe, Gabriel, Partey, Mari, Cedric = £480m yes FOUR HUNDRED & EIGHTY MILLION and how many of them have been a success? None, not one, Pepe may come good but Partey & Gabriel have a lot to do. And what about wages for that lot, you’re talking another £150m. You need a group of talented youngsters plus top, top signings and good management. We ignore the youth, buy crap and then coach and manage them badly. Dump the dross otherwise nothing changes

    #1959179

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    Are you mad? Chelsea only make a few big signings a year? And rely on youth! Please. Have you looked at how much they spent last year and how many players they have out on loan?!

    As for Xhaka, as above I think it’s time for him to go but to say he has been a leech is outrageously harsh. He’s played nearly every game he’s fit and been an important part of three different managers line ups. There is a reason Mourinho wants him.

    And as for this we buy crap AND coach and manage them badly, it’s amazing we’ve finished as high as we have! You don’t half talk a load of exaggerated clap trap.

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    Oracle- I do not think Arteta will sell him. We had an offer from Hertha Berlin of around £25m nearly 18 months ago that our rookie coach refused. He won’t now take £15-17m. Steve, I would not want Coutinho here as he’s another who underperforms when under pressure and we have enough of those here already. Also he’s be far too expensive for us to buy. With Covid Devi going down players’ prices why are we still being quoted £40m + for the lines of Bissouna and Aaroobs, let alone £50m fir Odergaard?

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    “driving down players’ prices”that post should have said

    #1959223
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    Fatmop, as usual you didn’t do you’re homework. Chelsea spent £150m last year. When Chelsea sell they get sizeable fees something Arsenal don’t do. Sales were Morata at £32m; Pasolini £14m; Nathan £3m. Net Spend of £100m, hardly huge a huge amount given Arsenals average spend over the last 2 years was £90m.

    Who did they buy:

    Havertz £72m the same as we paid for Pepe
    Werner £47m less than Arsenal paid for Lacazette
    Chilwill £45m, less than we paid for Gabriel & Saliba
    Ziyech £36m less than we paid for Party
    Mendy £21m less than we paid for Leno

    They have the best youth system in the country

    Mason Mount
    Reece James
    Billy Gilmour
    Calum Hudson-Odoi
    Tammy Abraham

    Chelsea were 4th in the PL, they were runners up in the FA Cup and they won the Champions League

    Arsenal spent the entire season in the bottom half and finished 8th.

    So who is doing it right

    #1959228
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    Jeff, true, Arteta persuaded him to stay but given how poor our season was surely he’s realised that the system didn’t work last year. Our midfield produced nothing, Saka and Smith-Rowe saved us from a finish in the bottom 6. Tierney is our only attacking outlet. The players we are linked with don’t impress me and we can’t afford them anyway. If we hang onto rubbish like Xhaka next season will be as bad as this season. Chelsea spend no more than us , over the last 2 years their net spend is no greater than ours, they sack their manager, use youngsters and win the CL. We have to change tack and fast

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    Chelsea have the best youth system in the country do they Shifty? Dear oh dear. They were forced to play them because they were banned from signing for brief period. They have a few good young players and watch Tuchel drop them.

    #1959267
    The Oracle
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    They were forced to play youth players!!! Reading letting you down again. What’s that got to do with the quality of players. Youth Cup Winners in 7 of the last 10 years. Chelsea along with Man Utd have more of their ex-academy players playing first team football in the PL than any other club. Also Chelsea’s net spend over the last 5 years is £133.2m whilst Arsenal’s is £249m.

    #1959276

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    I thought net spend was irrelevant? At least that’s what you banged a drum on for 10 years.

    How many youth players have made it at Chelsea in the last 15 years before the transfer ban?

    I can’t really believe you’re trying to argue that Chelski is the model we should follow, complete nonsense on so many levels as per usual. And I think you know it’s impossible without changing the owner, so stop talking bollocks.

    #1959298
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    You’re the one who claimed they were only successful because they spent loads more than we do. You’re the one who scoffed at the suggestion that they have the best youth system in the country. You then claimed Tuchel would drop the young players. Yeah right, he’s going to drop Mason Mount is he he. Wrong on all counts. How about this one, Chelsea’s net spend since 2011-12 is £410m, whilst Arsenal’s is £380. Trophies won in that time, Chelsea 2 Champions Leagues; 2 Europa Cups, 3 Premier Leagues; 4 FA Cups. Arsenal 4 FA Cups. So spending whether it’s gross or net is not the issue, it’s quality, it’s a youth set up that produces top young players it’s coaching, it’s having a top manager. Maybe when you’ve worked that out you’ll realise the real reason we are so poor. Hundreds of millions spent on dross with hardly any sell on fees and very little to show for it. Not one European trophy in 27years.

    #1959350
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    Further evidence of this is back in 2016 when Wenger turned Kanye down in favour of Xhaka. He cost Chelsea less than we paid for Xhaka, if anything sums up where Arsenal have gone wrong for years it’s that. We buy the wrong players for far too much and then can’t get rid of them. Chelsea sign Hazard for £30m, they sold him for £135m. Liverpool signed Countinho for £12m, they sold him for £121.50m. We sign Ozil for £42.5m, pay him £350,000 per week, he sits in the stand for 12 months and then we have to pay him to leave.

    #1959365

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    No one is going to quote Chelsea is the model Arsenal should follow that’s just crazy as is comparing our transfers. Its a totally different business model and their owner does not seem to be looking for the club to be self sufficient and quite happy to put miliions/Billions of his own money in.

    #1959374

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    Chelsea have spent 1.2 billion in the last 10 years, have £1m per week higher wage bill and can afford to sack and pay off managers wherever needed.

    I agree that we should have owners that invest their own money but we don’t.

    Shifty you’ve spent years banging on that net spend is irrelevant and Arsenal have a self sustaining model. Have you bumped your head recently?

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