Zero points for a 0-0?

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    Manthistle
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    I say this for a few reasons:

    1) As a disgruntled Utd fan its frustrating when teams like West Brom turn up at OT with no intention of trying to score a goal

    2) 0-0s are generally not very entertaining

    3) As football fans we want to see goals

    As a spectacle, the match on Saturday was a non-event. It was attack vs defence but West Brom were organised and efficient and stopped us from scoring but who would want to go and watch that week in week out? It was the same when Hull came to OT, and Burnley and Bournemouth and Stoke and West Ham. Time wasting from the kick off with every free kick, throw in, goal kick, substitution.

    The counter argument is that it is our [Utd’s] job to break them down and its a legitimate tactic to hold onto what you have and if they [West Brom] opened up a bit more there is a good chance that they will lose but surely you’d rather see your team have a go and maybe win 1 and lose 2 than just sit back and draw all 3 (essentially the same 3 points gained outcome).

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    killyboye
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    I think your counter argument says it all, it’s Utd’s job to break these teams down and in Fergie’s day we always managed, it’s only in the last few years that we’ve struggled. One thing is for certain, we’re far less clinical than we used to be in front of goal, whether that’s just bad luck, better ‘keepers or that Jose doesn’t spend enough time training the forwards I don’t know.
    I think,it would be unfair to make it zero points for a 0-0 draw but maybe give 2 points for a score draw, that would at least incentivise teams to go for goal and would raise the magical 40 point barrier for PL survival significantly.

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    NOLU
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    Great question – but I am not sure Man United would stay up if that was the case.

    #1459511
    steveosnakeeye
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    ^^lol^^

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    Al The Gooner
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    Manthistle, it’s easy to sit there and say you want to see lots of goals if your team’s the one most likely to score them. You should take it as a compliment – West Brom see Man U as a tough test. When they played us, they had no such concerns and spanked us 3-1.

    Your current manager is Moanio, your previous manager was van Gaal and the one before that was David Moyes – like NOLU says, not sure a Man U fan should be asking for boring football to be punished.

    #1459598
    Dandy
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    So Team A costing 250m playing at home wants Team B costing 70m to come to their ground and open up ? Madness. Perhaps instead the team with a higher wage and transfer budget should look at their manager, the application of their players, the lack of athmosphere instead of blaming Team B for playing out a nil nil game. Maybe a goal handicap would even things out?? Lol

    #1459621
    banjo_chuckers
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    Absolutely nuffin wrong with a team setting up defensively, especially away to the supposed biggest team in the universe with supposedly the best manager since sliced bread with apparently the most expensive player in the history of the game, the most exspensive teenager in the history of the game, and both club and country’s highest ever scorer sitting on the bench…..what a moaning mrytal….

    #1459628
    shanksy
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    Can understand the frustration and we suffer a lot to negative tactics as well. There is only one element to blame for that……ourselves. If we don’t have the nous, desire and skill to break down a defensive team that means we aren’t good enough. Can’t blame teams setting up not to lose.

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    Amz
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    Crap idea.

    #1459901
    Amz
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    Funny how the real ‘top’ teams in the league can beat teams United have drawn against.

    Basically you are admitting Man Utd are sh!t

    #1460016
    the specialone
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    Manthistle – Westbrom did to Man united what man united do to teams in the Top half of the PL.Or should I say Mourinho.Theres no two ways about it, Mourinho is the master of parking the bus.

    Any sane fan would want him out by now after all he’s spent and the squad he has at his disposal.

    #1460062
    notnice
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    0-0 no problem at all, if a team with less resources can get away with it than good luck to them and the more established teams have to find a way around that.

    #1460064
    Red Herring
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    Manthistle>> Your gripe about WBA’s approach to the game may have more validity if you weren’t managed by a person where “cautious” is ingrained in his DNA. Over the course of the season, the adage about the stats not lying holds true here. Goals scored by the top=placed teams: Chelsea 60, Spurs 57, Liverpool 64, Man City 56, Arsenal 58; then there is Man Utd on 43 which is only in the same ballpark as West Brom with 39! Don’t know why you don’t get that Mourinho is just another version of Tony Pulis but with 10x the transfer budget.

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    Johnny Utah
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    It is horrible to watch and is ruining the PL, time wasting from the first minute is ridiculous. Refs need to book players for time wasting more often.

    Without the tactic though, Chelsea would not have won the CL, their semi final victory over Barca was attack against defence and would of been even if Terry didn’t get sent off.

    #1460098

    Manthistle
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    Red Herring – I would happily have been given zero points for our 0-0 draw at Anfield. Boring mtach ruined by both teams’ tactics.

    It’s not a pro Utd thread, as Utd have been guilty of parking the bus too. As a football fan I want to be entertained. Goals entertain me not 0-0s. I would rather give a point to a team that lost 4-3 than any team that draws 0-0. Teams who set up to not even try and score should not be rewarded with points IMO.

    Did bournemouth park the bus against Liverpool? No they took the game to them and won. Bournemouth may get relegated one day ahead of west brom but they have more chance of breaking into Europe than west brom too and if I had to be a fan of one team I know which team I’d chose.

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    banjo_chuckers
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    If you want high scoring games, go and watch basketball…

    I really see no reason why a team should be “punished” for allowing themselves to be slaughtered. The only way whipping boys to compete with the clubs that can spend 200m a year on whoever happens to be the bees knees in the last transfer window is to set up defensively and make the rich kids work for it…

    And let’s face, the most “entertaining attacking” teams tend to have a habit of doing exactly the same thing if their winning 1-0…how many times have we seen an Oscar winning performance fizzle out when certain teams make a tactical sub in the 93rd minute?

    Why not make defensive teams play with 10 men to start with?

    #1460113

    Manthistle
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    banjo_chuckers – Leicester made a mockery of the rich kids last season by playing entertaining attacking football. There is a reason why teams like West Brom and Middlesbrough (and Utd sometimes) are on last on MOTD.

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    Red Herring
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    Manthistle>> Yes, OK, I do get your point to an extent; I just just trying to counter Mourinho’s rantings where he believes that you have a right to win by just turning up and having more possession.

    His quote after the WBA game: “Teams come here just to defend. Goalkeepers come here to be man of the match. We beat everyone on quality of play and direction of the game, possession, creation and ambition – but we drew too many matches.”

    When Liverpool had that horrendous run of results throughout January, we could quote the same stats on % possession (75 – 80%) and all of the other metrics such as number of goal attempts etc etc; but there was never any suggestion from Klopp that it was anything but our own collective fault. You always feel with Mourinho that he’s so motivated to get across that he has always done his own job perfectly, but when he doesn’t get the result that he wants, then the players are to blame.

    How dare opposition goalkeepers travel to Old Trafford and have the temerity to want to be man of the match. It’s just not fair is it?

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